Tunafish13
Active Member
I would be taking bets that Ford is going to announce an opening date for the Crosstown as an election move, or as a reaction to another politician making a statement about it.
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stevedean
Active Member
This has been floated so many times... considering that the TTC has said Summer is the earliest they could open it, I highly doubt Ford will announce anything.
Plus, what impact will it have? You think the majority of his base that live in the 905 or rural areas of the province care about the Crosstown?
Kyle Campbell
Senior Member
The NDP might raise it, but I'd imagine both Ford and the Liberals will avoid talking the crosstown during the election. All they could do is trade barbs over who's more at fault for this dragging on forever. Although I did read somewhere the TTC thought way back in 2012 the timeline was unrealistic, and that 2023-2024 would have been the earliest opening, so maybe it's because politicians sold an unrealistic plan in the first place.
Tunafish13
Active Member
I feel like he would try to swing it like "look at this huge project that is opening soon, we finished it"
Although saying it like that, I see how it could be twisted the other way very very quickly.....
TOtramz
Active Member
I mean it’s not like Ford could force the TTC hand and order them to open the line when it’s not ready……..
Or maybe he could
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stevedean
Active Member
Okay... whatever you say
Admiral Beez
Superstar
Indeed, it won’t make for happy, complacent voters if the Crosstown opens next month and quickly fails, stranding people mid tunnel.
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bono47
New Member
Thanks for the all the detail.
Is your understanding that the two software systems are not connecting with each other via an API? I would assume they need to communicate with each other? This sounds equal parts easily solvable and highly complex lol, any software engineers care to chime in?
FWIW I've heard Finch is completely finished but Metrolinx/TTC priority is solely on Eglinton and as such no drivers have been trained for Finch...make of that what you will.
6ixGod
Active Member
When all is said and done, I find it hilarious how Sheppard will have a full fledged subway one day from Sheppard West to potentially Morningside, while Toronto's midtown will have a grey streetcar.
Just wanted to be that troll.
Carry on.
Just wanted to be that troll.
Carry on.
Bojaxs
Senior Member
Nothing is more anxiety inducing in the world of Toronto transit than thinking about the fact that we had started construction on a subway along Eglinton, cancelled it, switched gears, and opted to construct a streetcar instead of restarting subway construction.
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smallspy
Senior Member
My knowledge at this level of detail is limited, but I would assume that the communication would be primarily one-way, and so therefore an API seems unnecessary. It strikes me that the scheduling computer just needs to tell the signal system to "GO", it doesn't need to know what state it is in to send that command. And in fact, watching the signal system at the termini would agree with this - the signal system will hold a train until the scheduling system tells it to. But if there is a condition that is more restrictive - say, another train is crossing over in front of the train scheduled to leave - the signal system will not allow that train to leave until the restriction is removed.
But again, that's assuming that there is a tie-in to the TTC's own central scheduling computer. There may not be at all - the lines may handle their own scheduling internally.
As I've written earlier, TTC staff have not been given full access to the facilities there. That includes the carhouse, central control, stations, etc. Until that happens, they can not train the operators - and after that, then start running the simulated service.
What world do you live in that you think anyone actually cares about that?
You know what is actually anxiety-inducing? Making sure that there is enough transit on the system to be able to get to work or to get home. Or to visit my family.
Dan
Ozman
Active Member
Thank you for sharing both your expertise and insights gleaned from your "inside" contacts Dan. Are you able to share what the problem is with the signal system if it's not the migration point?
Also, I had understood that every second eastbound train would short turn at Laird using the storage track immediately east of Laird Station. Would this maneuver be completely controlled by ATC? (i.e. the operator wouldn't need to do anything except move from the cab at one end to the cab at the other end of the train).
Finally, based on your knowledge, experience and "gut feeling", what percentage chance do you think Line 5 has of opening to the public on or before, (say) Sept. 1, 2025?
smallspy
Senior Member
The system has been built and tested for this, and it is scheduled to be instituted at some nebulous later date once ridership has matured. But it is not planned to happen for day 1.
My understanding is that the system is capable of performing that maneuver completely free of human intervention, yes. Mind you, the signal systems on the B-D and the YUS are also capable of automatic routing too, although in the case of the B-D it does require that control tag a train in a particular manner in order to achieve the automated process. (In fact, they do this every day with the trains that run back to the yard out-of-service from Kennedy.)
Dan
jordanmkasla2009
Active Member
It’s just Cityflo 650 CBTC throughout the whole line from what I read. The changeover is just selecting which level of control is available to use as the underground section has both ATO and ATP elements available while the surface section only has the ATP equipment.
Monarch Butterfly
Superstar
Coming soon?
When will we expect to see an announcement, of an announcement, of an announcement, of an announcement, of an announcement of the opening of the Line 5 Crosstown LRT?
This is along the future 73B Royal York bus route terminating at the Mount Dennis Station. These following images are along Emmett Avenue. Since Line 5 is not yet opened, the 73B Royal York bus will not service those stops... yet, allegedly.
When will we expect to see an announcement, of an announcement, of an announcement, of an announcement, of an announcement of the opening of the Line 5 Crosstown LRT?
This is along the future 73B Royal York bus route terminating at the Mount Dennis Station. These following images are along Emmett Avenue. Since Line 5 is not yet opened, the 73B Royal York bus will not service those stops... yet, allegedly.