Toronto Eglinton Line 5 | ?m | ?s | Metrolinx | Arcadis

[smallspy]

I think the average underground for the Crosstown will be 850m, which puts you no further than 425m from a stop if you're on Eglinton. That's similar to a lot of the stop spacing on line 2, such as the distance between Ossington-Dufferin or Lansdowne-Dundas W.

And what if you're not on Eglinton?

Ok Dan, since no one else has mentioned it yet; I'll bite. What is "the route 5 shuttle bus"? Are you referring to route 34 which parallels line 5 and (which I agree with you), is unnecessary east of Science Centre station? Or is there another sticker completely out of the picture to the top? Is this to show where a shuttle bus would stop if (and only if) replacement buses were needed in case of a Line 5 shutdown?

Much like with routes 1, 2 and 4, there are surface stops identified along their routes that indicate where shuttle buses - when they are needed - will stop.

There will also be such stops for Line 5. The stops have an orange flag at the top indicating it as such, with the other routes (34 and 334) below.

If they are putting up permanent signage for an (emergency) shuttle it doesn't show a lot of confidence in the reliability of the brand new LRT line, IMHO.

It's just their new standard of signage at surface transit stops. Nothing more, nothing less.

I do wonder when the handoff with the contractor is? Or i think the term is "substantial completion"

"Substantial Completion" is a contractual term that usually indicates that the object being built is ready and able for use/occupation/etc., but that the contractor is not 100% complete with the entirety of the project. It could be a simple as having them demobilize from the site, or it may be as complex as finishing up more extensive items such as landscaping, restoration of the surrounding area, etc. - i.e things that are important but not of any significance to the utility of the object.

I don't know the specifics of the Crosstown's contract, but I suspect that Substantial Completion would involve handover to Metrolinx, who would then need to do their own things to it before handing it over to the TTC.

Dan

 

[stevedean]

Word on the street...

voices in your head do not equal "word on the street"

 

[Kyle Campbell]

Before anyone gets too excited, over here in Ottawa there's still no opening date for the Trillium line, and rumor is now January. Trial running was over months ago, the final test mid October, bus stops got signs back in July and substantial completion two weeks ago. Add several months to your estimates

 

[zang]

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I see you've never had the pleasure of dealing with Wheel Trans.

Having been a support person for a Wheel Trans customer, aside from having to book rides a minimum of four hours in advance, about 65% of the time, you'll get a cab and not a wheel trans van. This can cause immense problems because cabbies (and dispatch) rarely bother to check how many passengers are scheduled (a Wheel Trans customer can have a support person and a paying companion or a child under 13). They'll often try and pack three people into the back seat of the cab-ubiquitous Toyota Camry–an absolutely lovely experience for all, let me tell you.

Even though the wheel-trans labelled cabs are supposed to be manned by drivers with accessibility training, this is quite frankly a sham. Many times I've seen the driver not even match the photo license in the car. Often, the drivers don't even know the accessible drop off points for various locations. And often, they just plain show up late. Co-op and Beck are by far the absolute worst.

It's this way because Wheel Trans doesn't have enough vehicles or drivers, and higher-ups have decided that it's not a priority (though I believe they've just purchased a bunch of new vehicles; we'll see if they find drivers for them). Meaning, we as Toronto Taxpayers, actually pay much more than we would save in the long run by properly implementing a functional, useful fleet of vehicles. Last I heard, the average wheel trans ride was subsidized to the tune of about $30. Mostly because of the use of cabs.

That "minimum four hours in advance" for bookings thing; that's just when the TTC has decided you have to book by, not when you're guaranteed to get a booking (with only four hours notice, I guarantee you won't). And aside from limiting those with accessibility issues from doing anything remotely spontaneous, it also means they must give huge leeways in timing. Got a doctors appointment and you don't know if it's going to take 15 minutes or there's a lineup that'll keep you there for an hour and a half? Better book your return trip for two hours later. That's if the "requested drop-off/pickup time" actually gets scheduled for when the customer wants it. Dispatch can arbitrarily decide it's going to be 45 minutes later than requested. And again, because the odds are you'll get a cab (and they like to be late), better book your outgoing trip quite a bit earlier than expected, too.

And, oh yeah, don't expect to get *any* kind of Wheel Trans trip without booking 5 or 6 days in advance if you've got to go somewhere when a big event is on. Taylor Swift meant that suspiciously fewer Wheel Trans-labelled cabs were available for Wheel Trans trips during the six days she was in town.

Don't get me wrong. Wheel Trans itself is great (in theory). But the lack of priority has left its regular fleet woefully underfunded and drivers overworked, and massively dependent on shovelling money over to cab companies..

It's a bandaid solution, if that bandaid were made of masking tape and a cigarette filter.

 

[Allandale25]

I'm sure that many people have noticed that there have been far fewer trains operating over the past two weeks.

Early into this current set of training classes, the signal system failed pretty badly. And since then, it has not been able to operate with any semblance of reliability.

The second set of classes is wrapping up now, but with far less throttle time than they need. They will need to come back to complete those portions of their training once the third set of classes wraps up in late December.

This has been such a concern inside the TTC that they don't think that they can start the service demonstration - the two board periods of operation without paying passengers - in January.

Dan

Eglinton Crosstown signal flaw found, but revenue service demo could happen in early 2025: Metrolinx

Link below FYI in case @Northern Light wants to bring forward key passages.

CityNews Toronto

toronto.citynews.ca

 

[northyorker1]

Eglinton Crosstown signal flaw found, but revenue service demo could happen in early 2025: Metrolinx

Link below FYI in case @Northern Light wants to bring forward key passages.

CityNews Toronto

toronto.citynews.ca

If the report is based on today's Mx board meeting, then Verster said the signal flaw has already been fixed via software update.

 

[christiesplits]

Around the 19 minute mark Verster mentions opening in the new year (no specific quarter) but mentions 'revenue demonstration service' (his voice wasn't clear at that point) early in the new year, so, that at least sounds promising.

What does revenue demonstration service mean? Could it entail a soft one-day opening?

 

[Ozman]

There is another sticker at the top. And yes, it is to indicate where to board said shuttle bus if the LRT happens to be down for whatever reason.

This is standard across Line 1, 2, 3 (when it was still open) and 4. The surface stops closest to station entrances have a sticker for shuttle buses. Here's an example for Chester station on Danforth https://maps.app.goo.gl/1quDHUpE723rDK8R7

Much like with routes 1, 2 and 4, there are surface stops identified along their routes that indicate where shuttle buses - when they are needed - will stop.

There will also be such stops for Line 5. The stops have an orange flag at the top indicating it as such, with the other routes (34 and 334) below.


It's just their new standard of signage at surface transit stops. Nothing more, nothing less.



Dan

Thanks so much for the replies; I learn something new everyday. I guess I need to pay more attention to bus stops when walking along Yonge and Bloor streets and Danforth and Sheppard avenues.

 

[JSF-1]

What does revenue demonstration service mean? Could it entail a soft one-day opening?

My assumption is the first ride for all of the media and politicians, these things tend to happen a couple of days (or weeks) before the line opens to the public.

 

[EastYorkTTCFan]

What does revenue demonstration service mean? Could it entail a soft one-day opening?

It basically means running simulated service without passengers. For example when the TTC was testing the Toronto Rocket subway trains they would run them and open the doors on the wrong side of the train a the stations or before the extension to Vaughn opened the ran trains empty from Sheppard West station to Vaughn before they returned to pick up passengers again at Sheppard West

 

[bono47]

If the report is based on today's Mx board meeting, then Verster said the signal flaw has already been fixed via software update.

The software issue has been fixed?

 

[ThenWhat]

Would be hilarious if TTC continued to operate buses along Eglinton once the LRT is fully in service and running, just like they run busses above subway routes.

What would be hilarious about it?

That is exactly what they are going to do, and this has been known for years.

Subways don't allow bicycles during rush hour. Presumably the same for LRT. But you can put your bicycle on a TTC bus.

Of course, using a TTC bus in a rush hour may not be the fastest way to get where you want to go if you already have a bicycle, but that is a separate discussion. There will be people who need to get from A to B with their bicycle and cannot or will not ride it.

 

[drum118]

Metrolinx provides update on long-delayed Eglinton LRT after finding software flaw​

 

[smallspy]

If the report is based on today's Mx board meeting, then Verster said the signal flaw has already been fixed via software update.

I don't know if it has been fully repaired, but the third pair of training classes have started going out and doing their runs on the line, so it seems to me that it has been fixed enough to be safe again.

Dan

 

[Richard White]

It basically means running simulated service without passengers. For example when the TTC was testing the Toronto Rocket subway trains they would run them and open the doors on the wrong side of the train a the stations or before the extension to Vaughn opened the ran trains empty from Sheppard West station to Vaughn before they returned to pick up passengers again at Sheppard West

Exactly.

They run as if they were in revenue service to give operators a feel for timings, the line etc. They need to know how to stop properly at the stops, how long it would take for Boarding and disembarking before running real revenue service.

Can you imagine the c*********k that would occur if they went right from training to full revenue service without getting a feel for the line?