Richard White
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That's the first I am hearing of it. Ionview or Kennedy?
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That's the first I am hearing of it. Ionview or Kennedy?
Admiral Beez
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How long into their service will it be before major issues are found with the rolling stock?
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I assume cracks, premature corrosion, faulty brakes or electronics will be in the news in 2025.
Contrary to impressions, I hate thinking this way. I want us to be proud of our transit city and how out city works.
All of Toronto's Crosstown vehicles are ready to go as the line actually nears completion
It's long, long, overdue, but commuters will likely be riding the new Eglinton Crosstown light rail transit (LRT) in 2023, ending a more than-decad...
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I assume cracks, premature corrosion, faulty brakes or electronics will be in the news in 2025.
Contrary to impressions, I hate thinking this way. I want us to be proud of our transit city and how out city works.
SashaLemon
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That would only work if they actually connect the "Eglington East" to the current line, otherwise you would have three lines in a row and that would be... silly. I've said before the line should be split at Science Centre if they can eliminate that one crossing at Sunnybrook Park.
WillTo
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Remember the good old days when we were worried the rolling stock wouldn't arrive on time?
denfromoakvillemilton
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And yet people are ok with Metrolinx leading the Ontario/Downtown Relief Line.
Also, this is going to kill the case for LRT in the GTHA going forward. It will be subways, streetcars proper, or BRT.
Also, this is going to kill the case for LRT in the GTHA going forward. It will be subways, streetcars proper, or BRT.
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crs1026
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Actually, the factors that cause success/failure in megaprojects have received a lot of study by business schools.
The percent of megaprojects that "succeed" (in the sense of meeting budget and time targets) is very low.
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This is the obvious answer. And with that being a subway, no debate about subways in Scarborough.
T3G
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"Caring" doesn't just apply to the workers on the ground. If you have incompetent, bumbling management, or management that's in it for the money or because they get off on power tripping, it doesn't matter one bit how competent the workers on the ground are.
Yes, shit can happen anywhere, any time, but do you dispute that our insistence on giving contracts to the lowest qualifying bidder doesn't factor into this in some capacity? Good work doesn't happen when you pay the absolute bare minimum.
Good thing the same vehicles have already been in service with the TTC for 10 years and nothing of the sort has occurred.
As long as it's Metrolinx behind the helm, it doesn't matter one bit whether it's subways, BRT, rickshaws, or magnetically suspended monorails from Mars. Anyone who thinks is some kind of gotcha against LRT, or that things would have magically been different if we built the Crosstown as a subway, should be firmly ignored.
Sunnyside
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Doubt it. Finch and Hurontario are the standard template and are proceeding just fine. If anything, they are exactly what we want our LRTs to be.
Eglinton is a mish-mash of ideas and transit philosophies, ranging from the upgrading of a bus corridor and becoming a development stimulator (ala Finch/Hurontario) to a capacity-conscious semi-subway in the trunk section. We can “save” Eglinton by maximizing the infrastructure and using the tunnel as a trunk for more feeder surface LRTs someday. But for the time being, Eglinton is a testament to doing things in a vacuum with too many specifics/peculiarities. It will be fine once open, but could have been better.
Admiral Beez
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Do you mean the Flexcity streetcars? When they first entered service they were beset with issues. This required units to be sent back to the factory for repairs and rework. Choosing the lowest bidder here was not the best move.
TTC ticked by Flexity issues - Railway Age
The Toronto Transit Commission (TTC) has been experiencing significant in-service reliability issues with its fleet of new Bombardier-built Flexity Outlook LRVs.
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Welding problems impact TTC streetcar deliveries - Railway Age
The Toronto Transit Commission (TTC) recently suffered another setback in the delivery of its much-delayed 204-unit Flexity Outlook LRV order. Carbuilder Bombardier Transportation has advised the TTC that 67 of the LRVs have frames that were improperly welded at the company’s Sahagun, Mexico...
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I just hope any issues with the Crosstown cars will be discovered whilst they're sitting idle for another year in the yard, and not after they enter service. Looking at the below, I hope staff are assigned to keep roll them around - you can't leave rolling stock just sitting outside, not moving for a year or more.
cplchanb
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seriously... if 3mm for a TRAM is causing these problems, they are also guilty for buying an inferior product. this is not a HSR, its a slow moving tram that should have plenty of tolerances. dont tell me 3mm is what caused a derailment...
i find Verster's comment regarding MM precision required very difficult to believe. thats what youll need for NASA rockets, not TTC rockets. hes probably just pulling random quotes out of his ass to hide the fact that ML and crosslinx both shit to bed on managing this project.
nfitz
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These are virtually identical to the cars used in Waterloo, and I'm not aware of any major issues there.
Even the similar cars that TTC have used didn't see significant problems, other than the initial weld problems that have now all fixed for free by Bombardier/Alstom. And it was never an operational issue, only concerns about long-turm structural integrity. I thought both the TTC and Waterloo Flexity introductions did much better than is often the case.
That is a concern.
T3G
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And you are aware that they entered service in 2014, right?
Only the first 66 were sent back. This was done free of charge to the TTC and did not concern the later units built from 2018 onwards.
Just what exactly are you expecting is going to happen, that 9 years of operations at the TTC, and 4 years of service in Waterloo failed to detect?
Amare
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Except now we've found out that Finch wont open until 2024 now, and i'm sure Hurontario will be delayed in very short order.
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Maybe let's stop buying crap from Bombardier...Do you mean the Flexcity streetcars? When they first entered service they were beset with issues. This required units to be sent back to the factory for repairs and rework. Choosing the lowest bidder here was not the best move.
TTC ticked by Flexity issues - Railway Age
The Toronto Transit Commission (TTC) has been experiencing significant in-service reliability issues with its fleet of new Bombardier-built Flexity Outlook LRVs.
Welding problems impact TTC streetcar deliveries - Railway Age
The Toronto Transit Commission (TTC) recently suffered another setback in the delivery of its much-delayed 204-unit Flexity Outlook LRV order. Carbuilder Bombardier Transportation has advised the TTC that 67 of the LRVs have frames that were improperly welded at the company’s Sahagun, Mexico...
I just hope any issues with the Crosstown cars will be discovered whilst they're sitting idle for another year in the yard, and not after they enter service. Looking at the below, I hope staff are assigned to keep roll them around - you can't leave rolling stock just sitting outside, not moving for a year or more.