Toronto Eglinton Line 5 Crosstown West Extension | ?m | ?s | Metrolinx

I have no confidence in Toronto’s ability to run an LRT line as rapid transit rather than as a streetcar.... especially with TTC in the picture....but.... are we really determined to spend extra money just to avoid having to make the effort?
Wouldn’t it be better to say we are going to make this line the surface line that runs fast, and not let anyone (Transportation Dept, TTC) get in our way?

- Paul
 
I have no confidence in Toronto’s ability to run an LRT line as rapid transit rather than as a streetcar.... especially with TTC in the picture....but.... are we really determined to spend extra money just to avoid having to make the effort?
Wouldn’t it be better to say we are going to make this line the surface line that runs fast, and not let anyone (Transportation Dept, TTC) get in our way?

- Paul
Do note that at no point is anyone arguing for how TTC will run it. Even if you have a "fast" surface running LRT. It will ALWAYS be slower than a grade separated LRT. Full signal priority still isn't at a stage where its consistent enough to always have greens, and due to the high risk of external interference, surface LRTs almost always run at slower top speeds than their grade-separated counterparts. Even if you have an ideal operator, surface LRTs will produce a worse service for through commuters than grade-separated solutions.
 
There is absolutely no reason to bury this line.

I'd be fine with it if we had an unlimited budget for these things, but we clearly don't. Surface LRT routes have been successfully implemented all over the planet.

No reason it can't be done here, with the leftover budget directed towards building a proper DRL/OL.
 
This should have been elevated until Kipling at least. Making this a surface route because it's "cheaper" would be a huge mistake, since this isn't just for local passengers - it's for cross-city travel. We shouldn't have to add those three extra stops to serve suburbs that are going to just drive in their own cars anyways. With the options that were presented, tunnelling is unfortunately the superior pick.

Transit decisions can't be made if we use the city limits of Toronto as a barrier that should not be crossed unless absolutely necessary.
 
Unfortunately, traffic signals are under the control of the automobile-addicted bureaucrats at Toronto Transportation. They LOVE the status quo. Getting real transit priority has a list of barriers and obstacles ready to be presented by Transportation.
 
Unfortunately, traffic signals are under the control of the automobile-addicted bureaucrats at Toronto Transportation. They LOVE the status quo. Getting real transit priority has a list of barriers and obstacles ready to be presented by Transportation.
The transportation staff are the same people who kept parking on the Bloor-Yorkville bike lanes contradictory to Layton's request. They are also the same staff who default to painted bike lanes when making new infrastructure, they are the same staff who paint bike lanes on arterial roads, they are the same staff who struggle to make protected intersections, they are the same staff who think that reducing speed limits will change driver behaviour in suburbs, the same staff who allow a 1.8m sidewalk beside a 6 lane highway and the same staff who put drivers first. If we can change that auto-loving mindset, the city can really improve.
 
Well, I guess transportation engineers do what transportation engineers are taught to do. Maybe it's about time that Transportation Services be led by a planner rather than a transportation engineer?

edit: turns out it is, but the Traffic Management section is lead by an engineer

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How about a partial underground portion for the Eglinton West LRT, saving $500 mil to $1 billion? What areas on the stretch are more appropriate for underground?
 
How about a partial underground portion for the Eglinton West LRT, saving $500 mil to $1 billion? What areas on the stretch are more appropriate for underground?
Should just do the targeted grade separations at major intersections that Metrolinx and the City studied. City staff shot the idea down because it’d be too expensive but now...
 
The crosstown cannot be automated if it runs next to cars and pedestrians. The fully grade-separated route will allow the trains to run with automation from Laird all the way to Renforth. (basically Line 1) East of Laird, it would run like a streetcar. West of Renforth is still a question mark that will depend on whether the line is actually seperated from traffic and pedestrians.

Spending the extra money now makes sense if you think of the line as built for the future.
 
What if we can improve the efficiency of LRT crossings?

Light Rail Transit (LRT) systems have made a major comeback since many cities around the world decided to tear up their tram tracks decades ago. In many Canadian cities, LRT systems are being embraced in order to accommodate trends in rapid population growth and increasing traffic congestion. However, intersections where LRT systems cross local traffic pose a significant challenge for everyone due to the heightened complexity and safety concerns. The design of at-grade crossings can have major impacts on the overall efficiency and safety of an LRT system, and are more important now than ever before.

From link.

What crossing technologies are available?

Currently, there is variety of options available for an LRT crossing, including regular audible and visual warning systems (bells and flashing lights), crossing gates, Transit Signal Priority (TSP), and grade separation.

Audible and visual warning signs: Amongst these options, the simplest, most common, and lowest cost is to install bells and flashing lights at the crossing area to warn the traffic and pedestrian flow of an approaching LRT vehicle. This solution can be effective when both rail and traffic volume are low, however it is a “bare-minimum” warning system. While inexpensive to implement, it does not optimize traffic nor LRT flow, and can result in operational and potentially unsafe interferences from pedestrians and cars accidentally entering the LRT right of way.

Crossing Gates: They are often installed for further protection. Transport Canada provides criteria in its Grade Crossing Handbook6 to determine whether crossing gates are required at a railway crossing, with main considerations being speed, traffic, and LRT volume. When implementing a full-preemption strategy, LRT operation is protected by gates and has full priority over vehicular, bicycle, and pedestrian traffic. However, this can be disruptive. According to a City of Edmonton report, a vehicle can spend up to 16 minutes in traffic at crossing gates and the GHG emissions produced from cars while idling behind gates could become a major concern to the environment. An alternative is to apply “soft-preemption”, where the priority of a Light Rail Vehicle (LRV) is determined based on certain criteria such as clearance of the previous train and real-time traffic volume on opposing movements.

Traffic Signals/Transit Signal Priority: Another way to control an LRT crossing is by using traffic signals, where an LRV is treated as a regular transit vehicle and should obey traffic signals. This method can be combined with TSP which provides an operational strategy to better facilitate the movements of in-service transit vehicles through such intersections. Unlike preemption methods, TSP does not abruptly stop any traffic to fully protect another. Its main objective is to improve transit efficiency and schedule adherence, while minimizing the impact to local traffic. TSP systems are usually made up of four components: Transit Vehicle Detection System; Request Generator; Priority Control Strategies and Management Software. TSP can be implemented in various ways:
  • Passive priority (serves the transit phase all the time, irrespective of a transit vehicle being present)
  • Active priority (Actively adjusts signal timings based on approaching transit vehicles using techniques such as green extension, early green, actuated transit phases, phase insertion/rotation)
  • Adaptive priority (intakes real-time data from all modes of transportation /requests to determine phase and cycle length for efficient traffic flow)
TSP can be applied unconditionally (always prioritize transit vehicles) or conditionally (only prioritize transit vehicles based on certain criteria, such as a behind-schedule vehicle). TSP can be applied at an isolated intersection, as well as along a major transit corridor where peer-to-peer communications can be used between signal controllers to maximize its benefits. Peer-to-peer communications allow the signal controllers to communicate LRV locations and estimated travel times between intersections. Accompanying any TSP deployment with a traffic signal optimization study will also improve the overall performance of the corridor. A simple TSP presentation for an LRT intersection is shown below.

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Each case could require a different control strategy. Many cities have generally indicated a 15% saving in transit vehicle travel time after implementing TSP, with minor impacts on vehicular traffic. The effectiveness of a TSP intersection depends on many factors, such as traffic volume, vehicle and pedestrian flow, priority algorithm, detection methods, as well as the location of the transit stops. It has been found that TSP is more effective if the stops are placed far-side (after the intersection), since transit vehicles would not be stopped at the intersection after dwelling at the stop, allowing for better prediction of arrival time and schedule adherence. As the intersection is controlled by regular traffic signals, it would promote a connected and integrated community while improving accessibility by eliminating physical barriers and noise from a typical gate crossing system. Simulations are widely applied to evaluate the impact of TSP and many studies are being developed to achieve further improvements.

Grade separation: The LRT is separated from road vehicles and pedestrian traffic by having its own dedicated ROW through an elevated, trenched, or underground structure. All traffic flows involved in this crossing would be well protected and safe. However, the cost to build and the construction time required introduces inefficiency. It could also become a physical wall or barrier separating a neighborhood and it can be challenging to be integrated into the community if it is elevated or trenched, especially in a low-rise dwelling area. This would not be beneficial for building a connected and integrated community.

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