TRONto
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IIRC, Vester mentioned this in the interview with Reece as the new procurement method to move projects along faster
Toronto Eglinton Line 5 Crosstown West Extension | ?m | ?s | Metrolinx
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Steve X
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The headwall construction at Martin Grove is well underway now. In the last two weeks, they setup work zones and now have laid the asphalt for the temporary bus stop for the westbound 32A.
crs1026
Superstar
^Hoping we will see the same progress maps on the project web page that we saw for TYSSE and Crosstown. With two tunneling projects under way (so far) it will be fun to watch. 9.2 kms at 15 m per day = 613 days, plus down time and slippage.
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cplchanb
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Is 15m per day the maximum tbms can technically do or is this just a schedule cap speed from construction management?
crs1026
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10-15 m per day is what has been cited, it’s consistent with the speeds I recall being quoted in TYSSE and Crosstown days.
To be honest, I have never looked up the actuals on those projects to see what velocity actually happened. There is certainly not 7/24 production at that rate.
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cplchanb
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Would it be possible to sustain 24/7 boring if it meant cutting months out of the schedule?
Can they mobilize construction teams to work concurrently to finish stations as they bore instead of what happened for the core ect tunnel section?
crs1026
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The Crosstown publicity material stated that the machines were intended to operate 24/7, however I'm sure there was down time for planned maintenance, things that broke and needed fixing, labour unavailability, adding sections to the conveyor belt, etc.
I don't recall whether any of the TBM's from past projects operated through an already-excavated station void, other than at extraction points.....however as a non-engineer I'd wonder if this would be technically desirable. While tunnelling, the machines are self-steeering, but with nothing around them, coming out into the open might mean having to realign before they reenter the soil. Just me speculating.
Assuming no major glitches, 15m/day is fine with me.
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W. K. Lis
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The headwalls of the stations will be poured first and the TBMs will "eat" through them.
This video is from 2012, which explains the tunnelling for the Crosstown LRT. It will start at the 2 minute 11 second mark. You can restart it to see the whole video.
The stations for the extensions will be located on the north side of the roadway, so as to not disrupt the flow of traffic on Eglinton. There are pipelines on the south side of Eglinton Avenue West in Etobicoke, which is why the stations will not be located on the south side.
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smallspy
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That 15m/day number is an expected average throughput throughout the life of the dig.
Single days can result in more progress - I can recall single days with 22 and 24 meters of progress while The Crosstown TBMs were at work. And there are days with less due to regular non-digging duties, such as cutter replacement or seal maintenance. Some days can be even worse when they come across unexpected materials - drill cases and old steel or cast iron pipes can wreak havok on the cutterheads.
The TBMs themselves are allowed to, and are capable of working 24/7.
Dan
jcam
Active Member
Tunneling is just more complicated early civil works. And if you bundled it into the larger work, they'd still (generally) have a sub-contractor doing the tunneling. With all that knowledge, they can get moving earlier...particularly if they need a new TBM for it.
W. K. Lis
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To those who "demand" that the extension be underground through Eglinton Flats...
From link.
This photo taken on July 26, 2021 shows rescuers searching inside the subway which was flooded following heavy rains in Zhengzhou, in China’s central Henan province.
Heavy rain has flooded in the subway of Paris, France, on May 22, 2018.
An underground parking garage floods as the Potomac River overflows its banks in the historic Old Town section of Alexandria, Va., Friday, Oct. 29, 2021.
Debris left in a flooded subway around Macau after Typhoon Hato hit on August 23, 2017.
A Toronto police officer leans over to inspect a flooded Union Station Subway in Toronto on Friday, June 1, 2012.
People wade across a waterlogged pedestrian subway, at National Highway-48, in Kherki Daula near the police station on August 13, 2020 in Gurugram, India.
A man wearing plastic bags over his shoes waits for the subway service to resume as remnants of Hurricane Ida causes flash flooding across the city, in the New York City borough of Queens, NY, September 1, 2021.
After heavy rainfall, water runs down the steps to the subway at Berlin Friedrichstra’e station.
Elon Musk Proves Yet Again That He's Just Not Very Bright
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From link.
This photo taken on July 26, 2021 shows rescuers searching inside the subway which was flooded following heavy rains in Zhengzhou, in China’s central Henan province.
Heavy rain has flooded in the subway of Paris, France, on May 22, 2018.
An underground parking garage floods as the Potomac River overflows its banks in the historic Old Town section of Alexandria, Va., Friday, Oct. 29, 2021.
Debris left in a flooded subway around Macau after Typhoon Hato hit on August 23, 2017.
A Toronto police officer leans over to inspect a flooded Union Station Subway in Toronto on Friday, June 1, 2012.
People wade across a waterlogged pedestrian subway, at National Highway-48, in Kherki Daula near the police station on August 13, 2020 in Gurugram, India.
A man wearing plastic bags over his shoes waits for the subway service to resume as remnants of Hurricane Ida causes flash flooding across the city, in the New York City borough of Queens, NY, September 1, 2021.
After heavy rainfall, water runs down the steps to the subway at Berlin Friedrichstra’e station.
KevinT
Active Member
Tangent (you started it):
Hyperloop tunnels are sealed to keep the air out (the whole theory of Hyperloop is having trains run in a vacuum to eliminate wind resistance), so presumably if air is kept out than so too shall be water.
The devil's in the details though... Will the stations be underground, or above ground with the tunnels dipping underground from there? If above ground, how far above ground? With climate change in play the historical 100-year flood level ain't what it used to be...
Jaye101
Active Member
Ever since Elon Musk suggested they should bury highways to solve LA traffic (!?) I knew he wasn't the sharpest tool in the tool shed.
nfitz
Superstar
I'd assume above-ground - if they are tunnelled, the cost of emergency access alone would be enough to kill the proect.
afransen
Senior Member
Musk may be a bit too confident in himself despite gaps in his knowledge, but he is no dummy.