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Toronto Crosstown LRT | ?m | ?s | Metrolinx | Arcadis

Not so bad as long as frequency is high and you're not waiting 10 or 15 minutes in the wind in Feb.
 
afransen said:
Not so bad as long as frequency is high and you're not waiting 10 or 15 minutes in the wind in Feb.
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Which is what is being said service is supposed to be frequent on it however people seem to have an idea that it isn't going to be and people are going to waiting for long periods of time between trains. If this people who complain about public transportation being late actually took the time to plan their journey instead of just showing up and running for the bus, subway, streetcar, etc then they wouldn't have to and they shouldn't be late.
 
afransen said:
Not so bad as long as frequency is high and you're not waiting 10 or 15 minutes in the wind in Feb.
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That would be -5.6°C in early morning in February, still in meteorological winter. Meteorological spring is from March 1st to May 31st.
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From link.
 
afransen said:
Not so bad as long as frequency is high and you're not waiting 10 or 15 minutes in the wind in Feb.
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EastYorkTTCFan said:
Which is what is being said service is supposed to be frequent on it however people seem to have an idea that it isn't going to be and people are going to waiting for long periods of time between trains. If this people who complain about public transportation being late actually took the time to plan their journey instead of just showing up and running for the bus, subway, streetcar, etc then they wouldn't have to and they shouldn't be late.
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How dare people ask for better shelter in their half of the 5 billion LRT system? How dare people say they dont want to get cold or want a transit system that doesn't require a schedule!
They should be happy to wait in during a snowstorm with 45 degree angled winds. They should smile when a car crashes at an intersection, blocking the line for 30min to an hour. They should dance in happiness when a passing car splashes them with water through the (chain?) fences. The fence is keeping them safe from the cars whizzing by at 60km per hour after all. It's not like BRT's in the region have better shelters! (oh wait)

The stops will be delightful. Who needs a subway station anyway?
 
NoahB said:
How dare people ask for better shelter in their half of the 5 billion LRT system? How dare people say they dont want to get cold or want a transit system that doesn't require a schedule!
They should be happy to wait in during a snowstorm with 45 degree angled winds. They should smile when a car crashes at an intersection, blocking the line for 30min to an hour. They should dance in happiness when a passing car splashes them with water through the (chain?) fences. The fence is keeping them safe from the cars whizzing by at 60km per hour after all. It's not like BRT's in the region have better shelters! (oh wait)

The stops will be delightful. Who needs a subway station anyway?
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If ROSEDALE SUBWAY STATION can get its platform entirely covered, couldn't they cover the entire platform of the outdoor LRT stops?
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I keep saying, it’s not about people needing heat, it’s not about protection from wind.....but it’s definitely about not giving passengers reason to bunch up at one point on the platform. Keep them spread out so that they use all the doors on the train.

It’s all about dwell time.

- Paul
 
NoahB said:
We live in a time where fully enclosed tram stops with platform edge doors exist. But we are still building LRT stops like we are in 1920.
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Dubai is quite a comparison.. Although I definitely agree. On the TTC Vaughan extension we have massive overbuilt stations, here we have these minimal coverings that still probably cost a ton. There's gotta be a middle ground.
 
theres no way the shelters used on ion costed that much. if those were placed near the middle of the platform where the trains would couple that would encourage ppl to go into both cars as opposed to bunching in one
 
adrianaliu said:
theres no way the shelters used on ion costed that much. if those were placed near the middle of the platform where the trains would couple that would encourage ppl to go into both cars as opposed to bunching in one
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The steelwork alone on each of the shelters cost over half a million dollars. Factor in the glass, electrical and everything else to go with it, and each shelter probably cost $2mil.

Dan
 
The Dubai stations are definitely nice.They look a fair bit wider than the platforms planned for Crosstown, though the ROW is big enough that we could find the room. I wonder what the cost differential is for something like Dubai. To be fair, if we built stations like this, maybe there would be less objection to above-ground rail as opposed to 'subway'.
 
smallspy said:
The steelwork alone on each of the shelters cost over half a million dollars. Factor in the glass, electrical and everything else to go with it, and each shelter probably cost $2mil.

Dan
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When underground stations cost over 200+ million dollars (elevated costs 100+), a 2 million dollar stop is dirt.

And dont give me all that 'Middle East slave labour is cheap' BS. The construction cost index[PDF] in Toronto is actually *lower* than in Dubai. The 9.5km Dubai Tram I pictured above cost about 1.1B Canadian Dollars in 2011. For comparison, ION cost 838 million for 16km of track in 2013. Notably, the Dubai Tram has 3 stations grade-separated/elevated on viaducts and an oversized OMF which increase the cost.
 
From The Record: 35 collisions with trains since Ion began running in Waterloo Region
There have been collisions every month since the service started in June 2019, but the worst month for crashed was September 2019, with eight collisions. For the past six months, the rate has been just one crash a month.
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The collisions usually happen when cars are travelling in the same direction as the Ion tracks, and a car turns right or left into the train’s path. Because the trains are generally moving pretty slow in those situations, collisions haven’t caused serious damage — the train is usually back in service within a couple of days, and repairs such as panel replacements typically cost less than $10,000.
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In most cases, the crashes led to charges being laid against the driver of the car that struck the train.

Collisions are the single biggest cause of delays for LRT trains, said Peter Zinck, director of transit services at the Region of Waterloo.
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Some changes have led to a reduction in crashes, Zinck said. Crashes and near-misses have gone down at Ottawa Street and Mill Street, now that traffic lights stop vehicles in all directions whenever the train is going through the intersection. The Region also banned right turns from King Street West onto Victoria Street, where cars and trucks cross over the LRT tracks.
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I wouldn't be surprised if the Crosstown gets at least 1 car crash delay per month based on how it is going in Kitchener. TTC Streetcars have had 549 crashes in 2017, or 45 per month on average.

Kitchener uses crossing arms, alarms, and turning all lights to red in some sections. Toronto is not implementing any of that.
 
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