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tiffer24
Senior Member
Same old story. Doug Ford can never fail. He can only be failed.
ssiguy2
Senior Member
ML communication should not be censored by Ford but if their excuse is that it is hurting ML reputation, it's a bit late for that.
cplchanb
Senior Member
i can see why they did it to begin with... verster in 2020 publically started the cat fight with crosslinx and this is the result of it. the ford govt is trying to prevent another public meltdown but obviously the pandoras box has been opened already.
ARG1
Senior Member
I'm guessing this is a technicality. You're allowed to speak up so long as you're ready to face the consequences of what you say. Its as if I say "You can kill anyone you like, so long as you're ready to face whatever life sentences you're ready to face" - it might be true in the most technical senses.
44 North
Senior Member
bit my tongue on the construction/dbf aspect for too long. this project has dragged to the point it's an embarrassment on a provincial scale. "we're taking over transit because we'll build it faster, cheaper, better". #fail #fail #fail. The centrepiece of the Prov's grand transit plan, cut short on the west, and on the east, then on the west again, single phase to two, to three, to five phases. Just the first phase is well, well beyond its schedule (and we're still in the dark!).
cplchanb
Senior Member
Truthfully it would be terrible either way. It's either lazy and clueless ttc management or the partisan and equally lazy politicians
44 North
Senior Member
The "either way" is comparing to TYSSE, the last subway project. Grandiose, costly, over time. We couldn't think it could get worse, nay this was supposed to be so much better. But this is worse.
TossYourJacket
Senior Member
Not to mention the East phase isn't even on the provinces radar anymore, it's a City project again. And is now a total separate line because MX made a direct connection impossible because of how they designed the SSE.
44 North
Senior Member
Exactly. Upload it, then download it, then neglect it. And the west perversely upgraded to subway standards - which somehow will carry fewer riders and defies their core mantra about building things affordably. And even that's been split into a phased sometime whenever project.
Eglinton Crosstown is exemplary at building things slower, costlier, and more politically.
LemonCondo
Active Member
Eglington East will be a repeat of the Scarborough RT. A weird forced-transfer appendage of a line that should of just been an extension in the first place. And they have plenty of space for an elevated line out there...
Voltz
Senior Member
Most riders are transferring to and from the subway, the ridership east and west of Kennedy is quite different, not at all worth the extra cost of a through line, and the operational issues with such a long line.
LemonCondo
Active Member
The line will have to be split anyway but I want it to be where we can have one grade separated line and one at-grade line. Laird, or Science Centre if you can figure out how to eliminate that one crossing. Science Centre would also have the Ontario Line so it would be a great hub.
adys123
Active Member
Yes exactly, and there are a large number of technical issues surrounding its ability to be connected to Line 5. The new case of the Eglinton East LRT better fits the local context.
ssiguy2
Senior Member
I think it's inevitable that Eglinton will have to be split into 2 lines with the subway starting at OSC going west and the glorified streetcar going east. They couldn't have been more short sighted on Eglinton if they tried and it's 100% Miller's fault.