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syn
Senior Member
Possibly, but given transit construction costs I doubt it.
I think going underground in the midtown areas was a good idea.
The street alignment is probably the best solution for urban growth in the area.
KhalilHeron
Active Member
I think they meant if the surface section was elevated not if it were an elevated metro so the line would be the exact same in the underground sections. Science centre station would also probably still have to be underground with the current ontario line plan to avoid a really tall and ugly stacked interchange.
robmausser
Senior Member
Not only should Science Centre station still be underground with the "elevated" alignment, but they should have just kept the line underground all the way until Science Centre.
Richard White
Senior Member
A few things here...
Ionview is surrounded by apartments and will likely have alot of usage getting to and from Kennedy Station. Kennedy Station is not walkable from here.
Pharmacy is a major street in this part of Scarborough. There will likely be high demand here.
Hakimi-Lebovic has alot of commercial development around it and has a large redevelopment planned. When it opens it will be highly used.
Aga Khan is the one station I do think should have been eliminated.
KhalilHeron
Active Member
I agree with Ionview and Pharmacy, Ionview actually services the Kennedy and Eglinton Intersection far better than Kennedy station, and Pharmacy is a pretty busy thoroughfare, and the 67 can be a really busy bus at rush hour. I don't think Hakimi-Lebovic is necessary however because Golden mile and too a lesser extanent Pharmcy already serve all that retail space. Moving both golden mile platforms to the west side of warden could be a good alternative to the hakimi-lebovic stop. Aga Khan station is useless though I do love seeing my relatively small religion and place of warship getting a ttc station named after it.
Richard White
Senior Member
True but it is likely there because of Eglinton Division being at Lebovic and Comstock. Also there are two large plazas at Lebovic/Hakimi.
I can see this being more for convenience and accessibility than anything.
Bordercollie
Senior Member
So they need to build the station in that box? Looks like a tight space if you ask me. This is the result of 4 years worth of digging?
sche
Active Member
First of all I'd just like to clarify that I was talking about hypothetical light metro stop spacing, not surface LRT stop spacing. For surface LRT, Ionview and Pharmacy are sort of justifiable, but Hakimi-Lebovic, definitely not (but either way, surface LRT is the wrong technology choice for reasons mentioned previously).
Hakimi-Lebovic is 300m from Warden. Having stops 300m apart on rapid transit is ridiculous, unless both stations have really important connections to make. Seriously. King and Queen are even 400m apart. The development argument doesn't really hold - I doubt anyone would support adding two new stations between Finch and North York Centre and another extra station between Sheppard and North York Centre, which is what you would need to get 300m stop spacing.
For Ionview, the stop keeps about 600m stop spacing, which is not too terrible and probably fine for LRT, but if the line was being built properly as a light metro, it really is not worth having. Ionview is not a major route and offers no connections. It will end up having Bessarion or Chester levels of ridership.
As for Pharmacy, I agree that it is somewhat of a major road, and an LRT stop is probably justified for the bus connection, but it's just too close to Vic Park to have a stop if the line was properly built as elevated metro. Skipping it is like how SRT skips Brimley, or how Line 2 also skips Pharmacy, or how both Line 2 and 5 sort of skip Kennedy in favour of the GO line. It's not the end of the world.
IMO, rapid transit should be fast, only stopping where there are connections or major destinations. A parallel local bus can provide local service, like on Yonge. Trying to get a line to be rapid transit and local service at the same time ends up being the worst of both worlds - long trips are slow, and local trips require much more walking.
Bordercollie
Senior Member
Is there a plan to run bus service along that route?
sche
Active Member
No. This is the plan:
From TTC 5-year service plan:
KhalilHeron
Active Member
The lack of bus service east of Science Centre makes sense to a degree though it is a bit of a bummer for people who live between the more spaced out stops like wynford and sloane, or sloane and O'Connor. I think a branch of the 34 or one of the eglinton east busses like the 116 or 86 that runs limited service between Science Centre and Kennedy could be really beneficial to people with physical disabilities or the elderly that live or work along the route.
afransen
Senior Member
There is a planned bus route for most of Eglinton for local service. Could have extended it to Kennedy and dropped a few stations to improve speed.
nfitz
Superstar
The distance between those two intersections (Warden and Hakmi/Lebovic) is about 330 metres. It's not 100 metres. In each direction the train moves 330 metres before stopping again.
Where are stations 100 metres apart?
KhalilHeron
Active Member
The end of the eastbound platform at hakimi lebovic is 100m west of the end of the westbound platform at golden mile, making the stops technically 100m apart though 330m is a better measurement as the centre of the stops are 330m apart