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I've heard quite a bit actually about how the market is trending back towards larger units again. All the better - those 400 square foot shoe boxes aren't exactly ideal. they work fine as a rental unit for a year or two, but I don't see the attraction in purchasing them.. its just too small to live in long term.
 
innsertnamehere said:
I've heard quite a bit actually about how the market is trending back towards larger units again. All the better - those 400 square foot shoe boxes aren't exactly ideal. they work fine as a rental unit for a year or two, but I don't see the attraction in purchasing them.. its just too small to live in long term.
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Well said. Years ago, I lived in a 400 sq. ft. condo on Charles E. for 5 years. It was great, but I was single and in my twenties so it suited me at the time. I eventually wanted something larger, and I don't think I would have stayed quite as long had I been living with someone at that time.
 
Skeezix said:
Well said. Years ago, I lived in a 400 sq. ft. condo on Charles E. for 5 years. It was great, but I was single and in my twenties so it suited me at the time. I eventually wanted something larger, and I don't think I would have stayed quite as long had I been living with someone at that time.
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I can hardly fathom living in 400sq feet. That's about the size of my living room/dining room. I rent.

You must have lived very light.......
 
Northern Light said:
I can hardly fathom living in 400sq feet. That's about the size of my living room/dining room. I rent.

You must have lived very light.......
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No. It didn't feel all that small. It was actually 450 or so, but it was a decent sized 1-bedroom. Small galley kitchen, good size bathroom with washer/dryer, combined dining/living, bedroom with walk-in. I didn't have most of the crap I have now, but didn't feel like I was living light.
 
tripwire said:
But a lot of "bigger" units end up being 2-bedrooms at 700-800 sq ft, which I think is still quite small.
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If you are just a couple 800 square feet is plenty. Hell even with a kid it could work provided the layout is practical.

I spent 8 months in a 490 square foot 2 bedroom.. It was about as small as you get, but it worked. Combo with a storage unit and it isn't too bad. I would want more to live in long term though for sure. 600-650 one bedroom would be perfect if you didn't have kids I would imagine.
 
I live in 478 square feet right now and honestly, it's more than enough given what I own. Lots of different living styles. Not to diminish the importance of family-sized units.
 
Skeezix said:
No. It didn't feel all that small. It was actually 450 or so, but it was a decent sized 1-bedroom. Small galley kitchen, good size bathroom with washer/dryer, combined dining/living, bedroom with walk-in. I didn't have most of the crap I have now, but didn't feel like I was living light.
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There was no adverse judgement implied. All I can say is I have slightly more than double that space.......no kids........and while it doesn't feel crowded, I can't imagine having a whole lot less space.

As it stands, I could really use a larger kitchen.

Though part of my issue may be that I work from home a lot so one room is my home office.

Also I have a ton of camping gear.
 
Chopper1953 said:
As quoted from the Developer in a blog site (previously posted) - the first tower sold out.

88 North sold out fast, Patrick Quigley (Developer) tells us, and “for a substantial premium over what’s been selling in this area.”

and he also added - "Larger suites were 88 North’s fastest sellers", Patrick says, a sign the condo market is “oversaturated" with one-bedroom product,

I totally agree with his assessment.

People shut out of the semi-detached market are turning to larger condo units.

Link to full blog post https://www.bisnow.com/toronto/news...om-parking-lot-to-downtown-east-hotspot-62567
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If Patrick implies in last month interview they are sold out, why are they doing a sales Center on mutual ave? Something appears fishy or miscontrued, esp with the very little marketing activity and being unknown - no familiar developer. The project is intriguing but - yes overpriced.
 
Davsam said:
If Patrick implies in last month interview they are sold out, why are they doing a sales Center on mutual ave? Something appears fishy or miscontrued, esp with the very little marketing activity and being unknown - no familiar developer. The project is intriguing but - yes overpriced.
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Maybe because they are building 4 buildings on this site, and this one is only the first.
 
Phase 2 consists of 3 mixed-use towers at 29, 33 and 57 storeys.
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Edit: Didn't realize this was an old render, my mistake.

Preliminary report: http://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2016/te/bgrd/backgroundfile-96640.pdf
 

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Personally, I think the stacked/slightly cantilevered box motif is growing a little tired in the city, but I still prefer what's proposed here to much of what's currently in the hopper across the city. The shortest tower and podium are a mess, though.
 
A tower that prominent in the neighbourhood for decades to come needs to have an equally exceptional design. This is passable as mediocre.
 
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