Toronto 808 Mt Pleasant | 204.55m | 61s | Reserve Properties | Sweeny &Co

I'm going to say it again. The real estate model in this city is broken. We've got a sea of single unit dwellings starting 1 block north, east and south from this site. Whatever happened to a future of mid rises on the major arteries for densification?
Real estate is playing within the boundaries city staff set for it. If you want midrises in a rapidly growing city, they have to be actually buildable everywhere. Otherwise if a developer knows they could sell 700 units on a site, instead of the 200 suggested by staff why would they not push for greater heights? Midrise construction is cheaper on a per unit basis, but doing so on the very small % of developable land is simply leaving money on the table from the developers perspective.

The goal of mid rises on avenues was a dream of landscape architects masquerading as City Planners, not a serious economic plan to achieve a housing surplus in Toronto.
 
It seems pretty clear what Reserve Property's strategy is:

Take a site, cattle herd people into the most subobtimal living conditions possible, build the densest build irrespective to anything immediately around the site, profit.

So on that basis, Reserve can go take this non-sense and shove it deep up their rear ends.
They are certainly going dense here, but in my experience of visiting buildings the build quality at Reserve's projects are significantly higher than a lot of the other garbage that has been built around Yonge + Eg.
 
They are certainly going dense here, but in my experience of visiting buildings the build quality at Reserve's projects are significantly higher than a lot of the other garbage that has been built around Yonge + Eg.
Agreed. I find it curious they're going so high here. I expect some pushback here, certainly some kind of negotation (which is likely why the proposal is aiming higher).
 
They are certainly going dense here, but in my experience of visiting buildings the build quality at Reserve's projects are significantly higher than a lot of the other garbage that has been built around Yonge + Eg.
Out of curiosity, what are a few obvious things that would stand out to indicate higher build quality when viewing a unit?
 
Real estate is playing within the boundaries city staff set for it. If you want midrises in a rapidly growing city, they have to be actually buildable everywhere. Otherwise if a developer knows they could sell 700 units on a site, instead of the 200 suggested by staff why would they not push for greater heights? Midrise construction is cheaper on a per unit basis, but doing so on the very small % of developable land is simply leaving money on the table from the developers perspective.

The goal of mid rises on avenues was a dream of landscape architects masquerading as City Planners, not a serious economic plan to achieve a housing surplus in Toronto.

The first train of thought is the rapidly growing city we've accepted even if the outcome is everyone living in cramped multi-family. The second train of thought is the small percentage of developable land as if 80% to 90% of the city has class A heritage protection. Lastly, is market conditions such as the minimum square footage to necessitate profitability takes a back seat to the square foot that can be sold together with the maximum square footage that will be allowed. I think most developers would prefer the minimum for the faster time line and less debt juggling.

A housing surplus is a dream. No growth fund has any interest in tampering with growth potential building a surplus of housing. Likewise, that same growth potential has hampered mid rise avenue development with both flippers and longer term property owners blocking any sort of finite planning maximums that would affect potential value. That doesn't mean it's a dream. It's just a sad reality for everyone in Toronto that it is no longer economical. Even so, I'm guessing there are 400 150 metre residential towers proposed in the GTA and only a small percentage have any chance of starting construction in the next 3 years. That doesn't mean the others proposed after 3 years aren't adding value to the bottom line. That's the situation with all these proposals. They aren't being proposed to be built. There will be many more mid rise starts than skyscrapers
 
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The first train of thought is the rapidly growing city we've accepted even if the outcome is everyone living in cramped multi-family.
And do tell, why are multi family units cramped? Is there some kind of floorplate restriction, put in place by perhaps....City staff? We will never know the answers to these truly cosmic questions.
 
And do tell, why are multi family units cramped? Is there some kind of floorplate restriction, put in place by perhaps....City staff? We will never know the answers to these truly cosmic questions.
Definitely that, yeah. Certainly not that smaller units net more psf and generally sell faster so in an investor-driven market, on a per floor basis, the developer is making more money.

Look at all the massive units on this 1008sm typical plate...

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I'm going to say it again. The real estate model in this city is broken. We've got a sea of single unit dwellings starting 1 block north, east and south from this site. Whatever happened to a future of mid rises on the major arteries for densification?
They're just as difficult to zone, are often harder to build, and earn far less return. Why bother when you can just go tall?
 
They're just as difficult to zone, are often harder to build, and earn far less return. Why bother when you can just go tall?

Do you not feel the new as-of-right midrise zoning on large chunks of 'the avenues' will be advantageous in that regard?

If not.........where do you see the challenge?

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The argument in favour of midrise (personal preferences aside) is lower risk profile, easier to finance, and get in and out quicker.
 
The argument in favour of midrise (personal preferences aside) is lower risk profile, easier to finance, and get in and out quicker.
For sure, but the payoff is just so much greater with an added 20 floors, and that appears to have become the norm, not the exception. As for planning risk, it strikes me as pretty small with the OLT seemingly all in on high rises.
 

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