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39 Newcastle 
39 Newcastle St, Toronto
Developer: Dunpar Homes

39 Newcastle | 113m | 36s | Dunpar Homes | Turner Fleischer | Page 3

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  1. interchange42

    interchange42 Administrator Staff Member

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    And at the meeting tonight, there were about three dozen residents out. Typical presentation from Planning to start with a confusing set of overlapping land use restrictions as set out in the Official Plan, a new Secondary Plan under appeal to the OMB, and the amendment applications for this development. Standards questions from the audience about why the developer is asking for certain things that don't follow the Secondary Plan that's been worked out, (essentially things that have it larger than the Secondary Plan foresees,), why they want to detour the Greenway planned for the area, what will be the shadowing effect of the development on properties across the rail corridor to the east (not well answered at the meeting), offsite park dedication, and traffic and parking issues naturally. The amount of parking space for Metrolinx's Mimico GO Station will be impacted somewhat by this development, so they should have been at the meeting, but of course they were not.

    The community went through a public meeting recently for the larger Freed development to the east which differs more from the Secondary Plan, (I didn't make to to that meeting), so unsurprisingly locals are feeling rather tentative about the additional proposed density for their streets.

    No changes to the proposal that I noted at this point, but we do have a couple of high quality renderings now.

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  2. ProjectEnd

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    Did anyone happen to ask why the thing is so assertively hideous? I mean, it's like, stridently terrible...
     
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    Though they may be cheesy, I like the arches on the podium. I'm getting tired of 90 degree angles and glass dominating condo architecture. Surely, there are other architectural forms that can generate new value and make the city a more interesting place.
     
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    The railways lands make up a large, visible portion of the condo boom but, doesn't glass really dominate that much city wide? 39 doesn't look much different from several dozen other confused, overwrought, red brick historicism.
     
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    you can integrate arches into a development without making the building look like a 905 industrial complex.

    I actually don't mind the towers - but the base is 110% fugly.
     
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    *Hint: my problem ain't with the arches...

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    It's with the proliferation talentless, discount 'architectural' firms being hired by neophyte developers who want to break into new typologies purely because the margins are better. I'm fine with much of Dunpar's semi-historicist, townhouse portfolio since it's often well constructed and located on otherwise-overlooked former industrial plots in Etobicoke.

    This kind of garbage is however, just a sad reflection of the quick-buck-ambition of people wanting to capitalize on a booming market and a growing city.
     
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  7. Ramako

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    Is it a matter of margins though? I wouldn't think that these materials are any cheaper than glass. It may just be a matter of faux historicist bad taste.
     
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    now those be real arches (allied) and not just arched lentils that are as commonplace as spandrel glass
     
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    I'm speaking less about the cost of materials and more about the fees the architects charge. Some firms around the GTA are notorious for undercutting competition to get work and having neither the design acumen nor the technical ability to work out the details in an aesthetically pleasing way.

    And, to my earlier point, there's a good cohort of developers who just don't care...
     
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    This proposal has been updated and now consists of 3 buildings: 22, 30 and 36 storeys:
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    This has been changed on The 100m List.
     
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    How Royal York is going to be able to handle all the increased car traffic from this development, as well as the other proposed developments around the area is beyond me but congrats to DiCiano on welcoming Dunpar to the community.

    This latest design iteration looks far less inspiring than the initial proposal.
     
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    if GO was smart they would be working with Dunpar here to get an integrated garage for Mimico and enabling them to remove all of their surface parking.
     
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    Uh, Di Ciano is Dunpar, more or less. He has been accused of serious conflicts of interest - simply do a web search of Di Ciano and Dunpar and have a look.

    And this is Ward 6, Mark Grimes's ward. (Not that Grimes and Di Ciano aren't really chummy. Grimes has his own problems with being too friendly with local developers.)
     
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    You mean the company they're fighting at the OMB over the suspect Judson Road lands?
     
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