ADRM
Senior Member
Oh yeah, I mean, this is certainly an intensely trash design. That's just how G+C rolls as a matter of course, so I figured that largely went without saying.
Toronto 280 Viewmount | 113m | 33s | Altree | Graziani + Corazza
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Oh yeah, I mean, this is certainly an intensely trash design. That's just how G+C rolls as a matter of course, so I figured that largely went without saying.
UrbanAffair
Senior Member
Having lived in Marlieville for a time (ugh, that horrible neighbourhood name makes me gag,) I can say with certainty that this is the design the neighbourhood deserves. It is unfortunate in all the ways the neighbourhood is unfortunate. This design is stuck somewhere between the 1970s brutalist apartment chic for the tower, and RioCan's depressing Lawrence Square for the base. Everything is as off with the design as with the neighbourhood. Plaza parkingas this neighbourhood was, 33 stories next to low rise single family housing mixed in with a bad food mecca. The one photo with the wayfinding help from Domino's is spot on as it exemplifies the haute cuisine section of the hood. (I kid obviously, Dominos is trash pizza as one would expect of a company which was started up by a completely bonkers right wing fundamentalist.)
Start small Marlieville, try midrises and get rid of all the plazas first.
Start small Marlieville, try midrises and get rid of all the plazas first.
Johnny Au
Senior Member
Dominos and Chick-fil-A are made for each other.
Northern Light
Superstar
Trash Pizza meet not much better chicken!
Northern Light
Superstar
There used to be an ok'ish local Italian Restaurant/Pizzeria that people in that hood liked, I dunno 25 years ago. Pretty sure its long since closed. My best friends' GF had an apartment in one of those plazas, I remember grabbing 'za there after a double-date. Decent, definitely a step up from Domino's, LOL
I can't remember the name for the life of me.
Edit: Found It! Camarras; It did close, in 2019:
Beloved pizzeria closes after 62 years in Toronto
When it comes to the oldest of the old school, sometimes after over half a century of service it's time to say arrivederci. Camarra's Pizza near Lawr…
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UrbanAffair
Senior Member
I remember it well. And yes, it was one of the better spots, but over on Dufferin. We Marlievillians stuck close to home. ;-)There used to be an ok'ish local Italian Restaurant/Pizzeria that people in that hood liked, I dunno 25 years ago. Pretty sure its long since closed. My best friends' GF had an apartment in one of those plazas, I remember grabbing 'za there after a double-date. Decent, definitely a step up from Domino's, LOL
I can't remember the name for the life of me.
Edit: Found It! Camarras; It did close, in 2019:
Beloved pizzeria closes after 62 years in Toronto
When it comes to the oldest of the old school, sometimes after over half a century of service it's time to say arrivederci. Camarra's Pizza near Lawr…
Chalkers was a horrible place, but a 2 min walk from my apartment. Good jazz, terrible food. I got sick many times, eventually learning to stick to their beer.
Alex L
Active Member
It is unlikely that just one tower will be built in the area. So it's important to get the height right, right from the start. Other developers point to existing development X, in justifying whatever they want. Myself, it seems like an avenue study is appropriate and figure out good heights if this area is to be redeveloped in a major way.. Of course, it's often the case that a developer will propose a height, knowing they will not get it, but they might get more than if they proposed ten stories less, for example. It's an area that should be intensified, just a question, of how will it look, when fully built out. And of course, the impact on the neighbourhood. If this is to be the central part of redevelopment, then neighbouring towers should step down.
My feeling is that this is a bit tall. The zoning for the street should probably allow 10-15 storeys no questions asked. Beyond that, see what benefits are accrued from extra height, minus the negatives.
Actually, I kind of think that there is a need to do or redo avenue studies just to cope with the changes from Queen's Park. If the city gets X less development fee dollars per project, then there should probably be another way to figure out how to pay for amenities, like kid space. Sure you could argue they were too high, but zero is not the answer either.
My feeling is that this is a bit tall. The zoning for the street should probably allow 10-15 storeys no questions asked. Beyond that, see what benefits are accrued from extra height, minus the negatives.
Actually, I kind of think that there is a need to do or redo avenue studies just to cope with the changes from Queen's Park. If the city gets X less development fee dollars per project, then there should probably be another way to figure out how to pay for amenities, like kid space. Sure you could argue they were too high, but zero is not the answer either.
AlbertC
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278 – 280 Viewmount Avenue - Virtual Community Consultation Meeting
Wednesday, December 6, 2023 6:30 PM - 8:00 PM(UTC-05:00) Eastern Time (US & Canada)
The City of Toronto Planning Division has received an application to amend the Zoning By-law in order to permit a 33-storey high-rise mixed-use building with a total of 342 units and a total gross floor area of 22,360 square metres, which includes 296 square metres of retail space on the ground floor. The floor space index (FSI) is 15.5. The proposal would provide 85 vehicular parking spaces. The existing buildings would be demolished.
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Northern Light
Superstar
This one is the subject of an Appeals Report to the next meeting of NYCC, with staff seeking to oppose this at OLT:
Applicant appealed in Dec' 23
Planning mercilessly eviscerates this one in professional language.
On balance, I agree with Planning here.
You can do the 30-storey streetwall, and the streetscape plan is terrible.
I'm less concerned w/the transition to 'neighbourhoods' here in that I expect a good chunk of those will be redeveloped, and the City needs to get out in front on that.
That said, the virtual absence of transition was never going to fly.
Applicant appealed in Dec' 23
Planning mercilessly eviscerates this one in professional language.
On balance, I agree with Planning here.
You can do the 30-storey streetwall, and the streetscape plan is terrible.
I'm less concerned w/the transition to 'neighbourhoods' here in that I expect a good chunk of those will be redeveloped, and the City needs to get out in front on that.
That said, the virtual absence of transition was never going to fly.
NotACop123
New Member
80 studio units (23%) seems like a huge mistake for this area. This isn't a place that's going to attract young professionals willing to live in a studio.
Undead
Senior Member
It'll be fine. There's too much housing demand in the city so you'll always find takers for units.
Cambry Ardship
New Member
Why are they talking about widening Marlee? That seems about the worst possible policy response. The area has good transit and biking connections and those should be strengthened, not increasing automobile capacity.
Northern Light
Superstar
The widening is not for adding traffic lanes, it's widening the ROW to support cycle tracks, and wider sidewalks w/boulevards.
Cambry Ardship
New Member
That's good, thanks!