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Domitian said:
The brick and glass aesthetic is really nice, and somewhat reminiscent of some parts of Old Toronto, which is a nice way to reclaim that heritage. However, locals are devastated as they are not planning to build enough parking for residents (meaning 260 residential units will not have a parking), the edifice is way too tall, it eliminates several valuable industrial and cultural buildings (mechanics' shops and garages, Scooter's Roller Palace), thus removing those services, jobs, and cultural activities from the community.
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Lmfao at “cultural buildings”. If the iconic Playdium in MCC can get shut down and redeveloped, Scooter’s can also just as easily get shut down and redeveloped. It is not like these business can’t operate elsewhere in the future, like inside the podium of a tower development.

However, you do actually raise an interesting point about automotive garages. It is a good thing being more transit-oriented as a society but these kinds of services are still important to have within an area. Although, I wouldn’t be concerned about getting rid of them in this area specifically, given the presence of other commercial and industrial lands within close proximity. Does anybody know if there are any good examples of a mixed-use automotive service centre or garage within a condo development in Canada? I don’t even know if something like this would be allowed under any kind of zoning.
 
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sixrings said:
Scooters roller palace = cultural activities. Let just bulldoze the green belt to save these irreplaceable heritage sites.
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Canada is a big country - one doesn't have to bulldoze the greenbelt; instead one may build housing in North Bay and Sudbury. And yes for the local community it has been a timeless icon for decades.

ericmacm said:
Lmfao at “cultural buildings”. If the iconic Playdium in MCC can get shut down and redeveloped, Scooter’s can also just as easily get shut down and redeveloped. It is not like these business can’t operate elsewhere in the future, like inside the podium of a tower development.

However, you do actually raise an interesting point about automotive garages. It is a good thing being more transit-oriented as a society but these kinds of services are still important to have within an area. Although, I wouldn’t be concerned about getting rid of them in this area specifically, given the presence of other commercial and industrial lands within close proximity. Does anybody know if there are any good examples of a mixed-use automotive service centre or garage within a condo development in Canada? I don’t even know if something like this would be allowed under any kind of zoning.
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"transit-oriented" smells of ideology and not practicality. A transit-oriented community does not work in this neighbourhood - buses drive by every 30 minutes on routes with long detours, the only rapid transit route is scaled down after the university ends its year from April all the way until September, and there is no rail infrastructure aside from the east-west GO line to Toronto. The end result will be traffic and congestion as people are crammed in beyond the carrying capacity of the environment. I do appreciate your understanding about the need for industrial, garage, and warehouse space to create jobs in local communities and to address needs faced by most residents. So far in this neighbourhood every new housing development has resulted in the permanent closure of independent grocery stores selling local Ontario produce, warehouses, and industrial centres with nothing to replace them. So residents have to commute further for various needs, which is not good for sustainability.
 
Domitian said:
Canada is a big country - one doesn't have to bulldoze the greenbelt; instead one may build housing in North Bay and Sudbury. And yes for the local community it has been a timeless icon for decades.


"transit-oriented" smells of ideology and not practicality. A transit-oriented community does not work in this neighbourhood - buses drive by every 30 minutes on routes with long detours, the only rapid transit route is scaled down after the university ends its year from April all the way until September, and there is no rail infrastructure aside from the east-west GO line to Toronto. The end result will be traffic and congestion as people are crammed in beyond the carrying capacity of the environment. I do appreciate your understanding about the need for industrial, garage, and warehouse space to create jobs in local communities and to address needs faced by most residents. So far in this neighbourhood every new housing development has resulted in the permanent closure of independent grocery stores selling local Ontario produce, warehouses, and industrial centres with nothing to replace them. So residents have to commute further for various needs, which is not good for sustainability.
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Fun fact grocery stores deliver. Also fun fact people want to live in the GTA. Let them.
 
I forgot to add, grocery delivery will only further increase congestion on the road, in a great feedback loop created by bulldoze-everything "transit-oriented" individuals.
 
Domitian said:
Also fun fact the desires of newcomers should not trump the rights and desires of existing residents.
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Who is to decide when there’s too much development in one area. Surely you were not the first in the area. Your car added traffic to the neighbourhood when you moved in or when your subdivision was built. Were you as concerned about the impact you were making on your neighbours when you moved in?

Why do you think that north bay or Sudbury would welcome additional traffic. They may have your same concerns. Why would their concerns be less valid.
 
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Domitian said:
I forgot to add, grocery delivery will only further increase congestion on the road, in a great feedback loop created by bulldoze-everything "transit-oriented" individuals.
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One grocery truck dropping groceries to countless houses verses countless houses driving to the grocery store. I’m not exactly sure your math is correct.

Btw if there’s a grocery store in these podiums that countless people walking to grocery stores. Two birds with one stone. You should be happy.
 
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Having spent a few evenings at scooters in another age, I am pretty sure we can move on. The same with the one story mechanics outlets and other smaller commercial activities. Just as Clarkson changed in the my younger years, so it continues to change, and will change. Yes, it may now be a car orientated neighbourhood surrounded by suburbs designed for the car but this can and will change. Remembering when the first iterations of Mississauga Transit scooted around in repurposed school busses, and recognizing that the service now may not be stellar, this can and will change As well. Villages, towns and cities in this part of the world are certainly not static, and have not been. The pace of change may be increasing and certainly around major transit nodes. Burlington, Port Credit, Mimico are all sites that come to mind. Saying ‘no’ is not often a working option, but working to influence design and services is.
 
Well one could do without almost everything under that mentality. The issue is services are being taken away, including mechanics experienced in European car repairs, and replaced with housing. This results in the lowering of quality of life, as more people compete for less services.
City planners must accept the idea that with more housing, there must be more services. So instead of closing ~13 businesses (scooter's plus the mechanic/warehouse plaza), they should create the facilities for twice that number of businesses to accommodate the increased amount of residents in the neighbourhood.
 
Domitian said:
The brick and glass aesthetic is really nice, and somewhat reminiscent of some parts of Old Toronto, which is a nice way to reclaim that heritage. However, locals are devastated as they are not planning to build enough parking for residents (meaning 260 residential units will not have a parking), the edifice is way too tall, it eliminates several valuable industrial and cultural buildings (mechanics' shops and garages, Scooter's Roller Palace), thus removing those services, jobs, and cultural activities from the community.
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This site is located next to major transit station, one which the province is spending billions to upgrade (in addition to many millions spent on this specific station). Perhaps not the best location for an auto repair shop--there are higher and better uses.
 
afransen said:
This site is located next to major transit station, one which the province is spending billions to upgrade (in addition to many millions spent on this specific station). Perhaps not the best location for an auto repair shop--there are higher and better uses.
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It’s a European auto shop. Pay attention. That deserves to be kept.
 
Domitian said:
Well one could do without almost everything under that mentality. The issue is services are being taken away, including mechanics experienced in European car repairs, and replaced with housing. This results in the lowering of quality of life, as more people compete for less services.
City planners must accept the idea that with more housing, there must be more services. So instead of closing ~13 businesses (scooter's plus the mechanic/warehouse plaza), they should create the facilities for twice that number of businesses to accommodate the increased amount of residents in the neighbourhood.
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This development will provide 7 retail units, and 9 live/work units, which can be the basis for new businesses and services.
 
This area needs housing and industrial/commercial no longer makes sense. Residential is needed and This project is an example of what is needed moving forward.
 
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