jn_12
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^ anywhere other than Hamilton would be a very dumb move. Unless it's Burlington and the Ti-Cats are willing to play there (but the difference between Burlington and Hamilton is negligible). Hamilton needs a stadium.
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Toronto 2015 Pan American Games
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TOareaFan
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Really depends on how you define "the thing". The Pan Games are shopping for a secondary facility for their soccer tournament. All they really need for that is a 6 to 8 thousand seat, very basic, facility. For that they have allocated up to $70 million.
In Hamilton they have been trying to work with a city that has, in their mind, a need for a bigger facility to support their local professional team. Hamilton has allocated $45 million to that. Not sure what the formula is but their allocation of $45 million got the Pan Am folks to their max of $70 million for a total of $115 million.
If "the thing" is that basic stadium which can be built cheaper then sure, move it wherever....if, however, "the thing" is a larger facility for CFL purposes, then the Hamilton/Burlington area is really the only place for it.
nfitz
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How can $115 million not be enough to rehab Ivor Wynne - that's about double what BMO Field cost.
TOareaFan
Superstar
BMO cost, what, $65 million?
BMO cost that nearly 5 years ago.......inflation has existed since then
BMO cost that on a fresh site........Ivor Wynne plans include the demolition of at least one side and construction of a replacement and significant reno of the other side.
BMO cost that and got 21k seats......Ivor Wynne is a bit bigger
BMO cost that at a fairly easy site to build (nothing else around)......Ivor Wynne is surrounded by housing making it a fairly tight site.
BMO cost that for a fairly simplistc "mechano" style construction......perhaps the plans in Hamilton were for something "nicer"
Jonny5
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It's been 40 years since Ivor Wynne was last renovated. Rehab in this case means an almost total replacement. It's also 50% bigger than BMO Field. Box and club seats have to be built in as there are none now. Also office space will be built in for the Tiger Cats, the staff and management are all presently located off site.
TOareaFan
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It is not going to be 50% bigger than the original BMO which was 21k making the new Ivor Wynne 4k seats bigger (so roughly 20%)....Boxes, club seats and office space were included in BMO too.....I should have said in my response that the items I noted led me to think that $115 million was probably enough so am a bit surprised that it is gonna cost so much more.....I expect it would cost more than BMO but they are now talking about $160 million or so which is roughly 2.5 times the cost of BMO.
GenerationW
Senior Member
Apparently some believe it's almost a done deal that the Federal government is about to seriously get into the business of subsidizing pro sports facilities. New hockey rinks in Edmonton and Quebec City have been mentioned, so it's not inconceivable that a new football stadium for Hamilton will be part of the package, which would mean that the Pan Am factor and the February 1 deadline are irrelevant.
nfitz
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And that's exactly my fear. The new stadium isn't that much bigger than BMO Field. BMO Field works just fine ... I don't see any reason for anything "nicer". Particularly as a CFL stadium only gets 9 regular season games and perhaps one pre-season games a year. 10 games a year - compare to the 23 TFC+MLS games last season at BMO Field and another couple of friendlies and couple of national team games ... there's pushing 30 games a year at BMO field - almost 3 times as many as CFL gets.
Jonny5
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The Spectator is reporting the stadium reno plan contains $30 million of contingencies that city staff believe will not be spent.
Also the Ti-Cats decided they haven't issued enough threats lately so they just dropped another: Ticats Ottawa-bound if stadium dies: Mitchell
Also the Ti-Cats decided they haven't issued enough threats lately so they just dropped another: Ticats Ottawa-bound if stadium dies: Mitchell
TOareaFan
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The murphy's law of construction projects is contingencies......projects that don't have 'em need 'em....some that have 'em never spend them.
That was one of the beauties of the BMO project.....MLSE, who kicked in some but not a lot of the actual budget, guaranteed to pay any overruns so they, effectively, became the contingency.
GenerationW
Senior Member
Hamilton has earned something "nicer" because of a historical legacy that goes back to 1872. If TfC can ever put down those kind of roots, maybe it'll get a "nicer" stadium next time around.
nfitz
Superstar
Deserved something nicer?!?!? If they are so financially unstable after 140 years, perhaps what they deserve is to be euthanized and put out of their misery!
I exaggerate, but I'm not sure why spending an extra $50 million or so is justified. However that's the budget ... and I'm surprised that anyone is suggesting even that large sum isn't enough.
yyzer
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press release from yesterday....the 3 shortlisted teams have been selected for the Athlete's Village......
SHORT-LISTED TEAMS INVITED TO BID ON TORONTO 2015 PAN/PARAPAN AMERICAN GAMES ATHLETES' VILLAGE PROJECT LOCATED IN THE WEST DON LANDS
TORONTO, Jan. 28 /CNW/ - Infrastructure Ontario, in partnership with Waterfront Toronto, released a request for proposals (RFP) today inviting three short-listed teams to submit proposals to design, build and finance the development of the section of the West Don Lands that will be home to the Toronto 2015 Pan/Parapan American Games Athletes' Village.
The Athletes' Village will provide accommodations for athletes and officials during the Games. After the Games, the village area will become a mixed-use, pedestrian-friendly riverside community that includes affordable housing as outlined in Waterfront Toronto's Precinct Plan for the West Don Lands.
Project highlights include design and construction of:
•a new mixed-use neighbourhood, including market and affordable housing;
•an environmentally sustainable community that aims to achieve Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design (LEED®) Gold certification for the design and construction of the new facilities. LEED® standards focus on healthy indoor environments, reduced greenhouse gas emissions and efficient use of energy, water and other resources; and
•new roads and services, such as hydro, sewer and water infrastructure.
Based on a competitive request for qualifications process that began in October 2010, and following rigorous evaluations, five teams met the qualifications criteria for the project and the three highest scoring teams have been invited to submit proposals for the project. The short-listed teams all include companies with proven experience and capabilities in financing, designing, developing and constructing large and complex projects. These three short-listed teams are:
Dundee Kilmer Developments Limited
•Dundee Realty Corporation - Equity Investor, Developer
•Kilmer Van Nostrand Co. Limited - Equity Investor, Developer
•EllisDon Corporation - Design Builder, Constructor
•Ledcor Design Build (Ontario) Inc. - Design Builder, Constructor
•Brookfield Financial Corp. - Financial Advisor
•architectsAlliance - Joint Venture Architect
•Kuwabara Payne McKenna Blumberg - Joint Venture Architect
•Daoust LeStage Inc. - Urban Design Architect
•TEN Arquitectos - Design
Legacy Village Partners
•Lend Lease - Master Development Partner, Equity Provider, Project Lead
•Concert Properties Ltd - Master Development Partner, Equity Provider, Market Rental Developer/Owner
•Tridel - Development Partner, Equity Provider of Market Condo Component
•PCL - General Contractor
•Deltera - General Contractor
•Scotia Capital Inc - Financial Advisor
•IBI - Design Team Lead
•Gehl Architects - Urban Quality Consultants
•Teeple Architects - Student Residence Design
•Wallman Architects - Affordable Housing Design
Village Infrastructure Partners (VIP)
•Fengate Capital- Equity Investor
•The Conservatory Group - Equity Investor, Developer, Constructor
•The Pemberton Group - Equity Investor, Developer, Constructor
•Saddlebrook - Constructor
•Laing O'Rourke - Design Build coordination
•National Bank - Financial Advisor
•TD Securities - Financial Advisor
•B+H Architects - Lead Architect, Coordinating Architect
•RegionalArchitects - Design Lead
•EI Richmond - Design Lead
•Arquitectonica - Design Lead
•West 8 - Lead Architect (Landscape)
Once submissions to the RFP are received and evaluated, the successful team is expected be selected and announced in summer 2011. A copy of the RFP will be available on Infrastructure Ontario's website at www.infrastructureontario.ca.
The project is proceeding under Infrastructure Ontario's Alternative Financing and Procurement model whereby risks associated with designing, constructing, and financing the facilities are transferred to the private sector.
Infrastructure Ontario, Waterfront Toronto and Ontario Realty Corporation are working with TO2015 to develop the section of West Don Lands that will be home to the Athletes' Village.
Infrastructure Ontario and TO2015 are working with municipalities in the GTA and Golden Horseshoe, universities and provincial agencies to procure and deliver the Athletes' Village and Games venues, such as the Aquatics Centre facility.
Infrastructure Ontario is a Crown corporation dedicated to delivering some of the province's larger and more complex infrastructure renewal projects - ensuring they are built on time and on budget. As well, it is dedicated to providing the public sector and not-for-profit organizations with long-term financing to renew their infrastructure.
Ontario Realty Corporation manages one of the largest real estate portfolios in Canada and provides customer-focused real estate services to the Ontario government, including strategic portfolio management, asset management, property and land management and capital projects. ORC is leading the preparation of the West Don Lands for future redevelopment by conducting the required environmental work and constructing the flood protection landform, sub-surface infrastructure and roads.
The Governments of Canada and Ontario and the City of Toronto created Waterfront Toronto to oversee and lead the renewal of Toronto's waterfront. Public accessibility, design excellence, sustainable development, economic development and fiscal sustainability are the key drivers of waterfront revitalization.
Quotes:
Honourable Bob Chiarelli, Minister of Infrastructure
"The Athletes' Village project will increase the pace of the West Don Lands revitalization and provide a sizable stimulus to Ontario's economy by directly and indirectly creating and supporting thousands of jobs."
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Backgrounder
Toronto 2015 Pan/parapan American Games Athletes' village In the West Don Lands
West Don Lands Revitalization
The West Don Lands is one of the first new communities currently being developed by Waterfront Toronto as part of Toronto's waterfront revitalization.
The 32 hectare (80 acre) area of former industrial lands is being transformed into a sustainable, mixed-use, pedestrian-friendly, riverside community. It will feature approximately 6,000 new residential units, ample space for employment and commercial uses, public transit within a five minute walk of homes and businesses, and two child-care centres.
Building an Athletes' Village in the West Don Lands
Infrastructure Ontario, Waterfront Toronto and the Ontario Realty Corporation are working with TO2015 to develop the section of West Don Lands that will be home to the Toronto 2015 Pan/Parapan American Games Athletes' Village.
Locating the Athletes' Village in the West Don Lands will be a unique legacy of the Games and significantly increases the pace of transformation. The Athletes' Village will be built based on Waterfront Toronto's vision for a green, modern and vibrant new community as outlined in the West Don Lands Precinct Plan. Waterfront Toronto originally planned to complete the West Don Lands community over 10 to 12 years in three phases; now more than half of the West Don Lands will be complete in time for the Games.
The Village will serve as the home-away-from-home for the 10,000 athletes and officials of the Toronto 2015 Pan/Parapan American Games:
•8,000 athletes and officials are expected to participate in the Pan American Games, July 10-26, 2015.
•2,200 athletes and officials are expected to participate in the Parapan American Games, August 7-14, 2015.
Following the Games, the Athletes' Village will be converted into a range of housing options as defined by the West Don Lands Precinct Plan.
Achieving Sustainability and Design Excellence
The buildings within the Athletes' Village will achieve LEED® Gold certification and the Village development will be efficient in its use of resources. It will also take advantage of new approaches and technologies to deliver a positive impact on the surrounding air, land and water. LEED® buildings focus on healthy indoor environments, reduced greenhouse gas emissions and the efficient use of energy, water and other resources.
Waterfront Toronto formed a design review panel, the first in Toronto, to help ensure that waterfront revitalization projects set new standards for design excellence. The mission of the panel is to provide objective, professional advice to designers, developers and governments to ensure that high-quality design is a critical consideration for all of the development on Toronto's waterfront. The panel will be engaged in the development of the Athletes' Village project.
Preparing for the Redevelopment Project
Remediation and site preparation work is well underway in the West Don Lands, both in the area that will be home to the Athletes' Village and the surrounding area. Design, construction and planning approvals are also well underway, which will allow the Village to be completed in time for the Games.
Ontario Realty Corporation is constructing a flood protection landform, building sub-surface infrastructure and roads, and preparing the land for future development. The flood protection landform is 90 per cent complete. Construction of the Bayview Avenue re-alignment has begun and the River Street extension is underway. Once Bayview Avenue is completed, Ontario Realty Corporation will demolish the existing connecting road at the King/Queen triangle and extend the flood protection landform through that area.
Additional development projects by Waterfront Toronto are also underway, including River City, which is the first private sector development project in the West Don Lands, and Toronto Community Housing's affordable housing development. Moreover, Underpass Park and Don River Park are under construction and scheduled to open well in advance of the Games. Don River Park, located adjacent to the Village, will become a cornerstone of the West Don Lands community. During the Games, athletes, officials and visitors will be able to enjoy the 7.3-hectare (18 acre) park, which is being built atop the area's flood protection landform.
Zoning Bylaw Amendment and the Plan of Subdivision
The Planning and Approval process for the West Don Lands is well underway to ensure the required approvals and zoning amendments are in place for the Toronto 2015 Pan/Parapan American Games Athletes' Village project. Waterfront Toronto received approval for:
•The Rezoning and Official Plan Amendment for the West Don Lands, Phase 2 from Toronto City Council, at its meeting August 25, 2010.
•The Draft Plan of Subdivision approval was secured in December 2010.
•The Subdivision Registration and execution is anticipated by spring 2011.
SHORT-LISTED TEAMS INVITED TO BID ON TORONTO 2015 PAN/PARAPAN AMERICAN GAMES ATHLETES' VILLAGE PROJECT LOCATED IN THE WEST DON LANDS
TORONTO, Jan. 28 /CNW/ - Infrastructure Ontario, in partnership with Waterfront Toronto, released a request for proposals (RFP) today inviting three short-listed teams to submit proposals to design, build and finance the development of the section of the West Don Lands that will be home to the Toronto 2015 Pan/Parapan American Games Athletes' Village.
The Athletes' Village will provide accommodations for athletes and officials during the Games. After the Games, the village area will become a mixed-use, pedestrian-friendly riverside community that includes affordable housing as outlined in Waterfront Toronto's Precinct Plan for the West Don Lands.
Project highlights include design and construction of:
•a new mixed-use neighbourhood, including market and affordable housing;
•an environmentally sustainable community that aims to achieve Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design (LEED®) Gold certification for the design and construction of the new facilities. LEED® standards focus on healthy indoor environments, reduced greenhouse gas emissions and efficient use of energy, water and other resources; and
•new roads and services, such as hydro, sewer and water infrastructure.
Based on a competitive request for qualifications process that began in October 2010, and following rigorous evaluations, five teams met the qualifications criteria for the project and the three highest scoring teams have been invited to submit proposals for the project. The short-listed teams all include companies with proven experience and capabilities in financing, designing, developing and constructing large and complex projects. These three short-listed teams are:
Dundee Kilmer Developments Limited
•Dundee Realty Corporation - Equity Investor, Developer
•Kilmer Van Nostrand Co. Limited - Equity Investor, Developer
•EllisDon Corporation - Design Builder, Constructor
•Ledcor Design Build (Ontario) Inc. - Design Builder, Constructor
•Brookfield Financial Corp. - Financial Advisor
•architectsAlliance - Joint Venture Architect
•Kuwabara Payne McKenna Blumberg - Joint Venture Architect
•Daoust LeStage Inc. - Urban Design Architect
•TEN Arquitectos - Design
Legacy Village Partners
•Lend Lease - Master Development Partner, Equity Provider, Project Lead
•Concert Properties Ltd - Master Development Partner, Equity Provider, Market Rental Developer/Owner
•Tridel - Development Partner, Equity Provider of Market Condo Component
•PCL - General Contractor
•Deltera - General Contractor
•Scotia Capital Inc - Financial Advisor
•IBI - Design Team Lead
•Gehl Architects - Urban Quality Consultants
•Teeple Architects - Student Residence Design
•Wallman Architects - Affordable Housing Design
Village Infrastructure Partners (VIP)
•Fengate Capital- Equity Investor
•The Conservatory Group - Equity Investor, Developer, Constructor
•The Pemberton Group - Equity Investor, Developer, Constructor
•Saddlebrook - Constructor
•Laing O'Rourke - Design Build coordination
•National Bank - Financial Advisor
•TD Securities - Financial Advisor
•B+H Architects - Lead Architect, Coordinating Architect
•RegionalArchitects - Design Lead
•EI Richmond - Design Lead
•Arquitectonica - Design Lead
•West 8 - Lead Architect (Landscape)
Once submissions to the RFP are received and evaluated, the successful team is expected be selected and announced in summer 2011. A copy of the RFP will be available on Infrastructure Ontario's website at www.infrastructureontario.ca.
The project is proceeding under Infrastructure Ontario's Alternative Financing and Procurement model whereby risks associated with designing, constructing, and financing the facilities are transferred to the private sector.
Infrastructure Ontario, Waterfront Toronto and Ontario Realty Corporation are working with TO2015 to develop the section of West Don Lands that will be home to the Athletes' Village.
Infrastructure Ontario and TO2015 are working with municipalities in the GTA and Golden Horseshoe, universities and provincial agencies to procure and deliver the Athletes' Village and Games venues, such as the Aquatics Centre facility.
Infrastructure Ontario is a Crown corporation dedicated to delivering some of the province's larger and more complex infrastructure renewal projects - ensuring they are built on time and on budget. As well, it is dedicated to providing the public sector and not-for-profit organizations with long-term financing to renew their infrastructure.
Ontario Realty Corporation manages one of the largest real estate portfolios in Canada and provides customer-focused real estate services to the Ontario government, including strategic portfolio management, asset management, property and land management and capital projects. ORC is leading the preparation of the West Don Lands for future redevelopment by conducting the required environmental work and constructing the flood protection landform, sub-surface infrastructure and roads.
The Governments of Canada and Ontario and the City of Toronto created Waterfront Toronto to oversee and lead the renewal of Toronto's waterfront. Public accessibility, design excellence, sustainable development, economic development and fiscal sustainability are the key drivers of waterfront revitalization.
Quotes:
Honourable Bob Chiarelli, Minister of Infrastructure
"The Athletes' Village project will increase the pace of the West Don Lands revitalization and provide a sizable stimulus to Ontario's economy by directly and indirectly creating and supporting thousands of jobs."
Disponible en français
Backgrounder
Toronto 2015 Pan/parapan American Games Athletes' village In the West Don Lands
West Don Lands Revitalization
The West Don Lands is one of the first new communities currently being developed by Waterfront Toronto as part of Toronto's waterfront revitalization.
The 32 hectare (80 acre) area of former industrial lands is being transformed into a sustainable, mixed-use, pedestrian-friendly, riverside community. It will feature approximately 6,000 new residential units, ample space for employment and commercial uses, public transit within a five minute walk of homes and businesses, and two child-care centres.
Building an Athletes' Village in the West Don Lands
Infrastructure Ontario, Waterfront Toronto and the Ontario Realty Corporation are working with TO2015 to develop the section of West Don Lands that will be home to the Toronto 2015 Pan/Parapan American Games Athletes' Village.
Locating the Athletes' Village in the West Don Lands will be a unique legacy of the Games and significantly increases the pace of transformation. The Athletes' Village will be built based on Waterfront Toronto's vision for a green, modern and vibrant new community as outlined in the West Don Lands Precinct Plan. Waterfront Toronto originally planned to complete the West Don Lands community over 10 to 12 years in three phases; now more than half of the West Don Lands will be complete in time for the Games.
The Village will serve as the home-away-from-home for the 10,000 athletes and officials of the Toronto 2015 Pan/Parapan American Games:
•8,000 athletes and officials are expected to participate in the Pan American Games, July 10-26, 2015.
•2,200 athletes and officials are expected to participate in the Parapan American Games, August 7-14, 2015.
Following the Games, the Athletes' Village will be converted into a range of housing options as defined by the West Don Lands Precinct Plan.
Achieving Sustainability and Design Excellence
The buildings within the Athletes' Village will achieve LEED® Gold certification and the Village development will be efficient in its use of resources. It will also take advantage of new approaches and technologies to deliver a positive impact on the surrounding air, land and water. LEED® buildings focus on healthy indoor environments, reduced greenhouse gas emissions and the efficient use of energy, water and other resources.
Waterfront Toronto formed a design review panel, the first in Toronto, to help ensure that waterfront revitalization projects set new standards for design excellence. The mission of the panel is to provide objective, professional advice to designers, developers and governments to ensure that high-quality design is a critical consideration for all of the development on Toronto's waterfront. The panel will be engaged in the development of the Athletes' Village project.
Preparing for the Redevelopment Project
Remediation and site preparation work is well underway in the West Don Lands, both in the area that will be home to the Athletes' Village and the surrounding area. Design, construction and planning approvals are also well underway, which will allow the Village to be completed in time for the Games.
Ontario Realty Corporation is constructing a flood protection landform, building sub-surface infrastructure and roads, and preparing the land for future development. The flood protection landform is 90 per cent complete. Construction of the Bayview Avenue re-alignment has begun and the River Street extension is underway. Once Bayview Avenue is completed, Ontario Realty Corporation will demolish the existing connecting road at the King/Queen triangle and extend the flood protection landform through that area.
Additional development projects by Waterfront Toronto are also underway, including River City, which is the first private sector development project in the West Don Lands, and Toronto Community Housing's affordable housing development. Moreover, Underpass Park and Don River Park are under construction and scheduled to open well in advance of the Games. Don River Park, located adjacent to the Village, will become a cornerstone of the West Don Lands community. During the Games, athletes, officials and visitors will be able to enjoy the 7.3-hectare (18 acre) park, which is being built atop the area's flood protection landform.
Zoning Bylaw Amendment and the Plan of Subdivision
The Planning and Approval process for the West Don Lands is well underway to ensure the required approvals and zoning amendments are in place for the Toronto 2015 Pan/Parapan American Games Athletes' Village project. Waterfront Toronto received approval for:
•The Rezoning and Official Plan Amendment for the West Don Lands, Phase 2 from Toronto City Council, at its meeting August 25, 2010.
•The Draft Plan of Subdivision approval was secured in December 2010.
•The Subdivision Registration and execution is anticipated by spring 2011.
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TOareaFan
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The province has stepped in and increased funding. Wanna bet those contigencies get spent now? As I referenced before, when MLSE was responsible for any overruns on BMO Field it is remarkable how few there were (none).....with a government on the hook for the contingencies you can almost bet the house that the full budget will go out the door...just the way it seems to work!
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Council can still veto it.