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Toronto 2015 Pan American Games

Hamilton City Council Vote to Continue with CP Lands

Stadium plan $53.7 million short
Decision on Pan Am site will be left to team elected on Oct. 25

Emma Reilly
http://www.thespec.com/news/local/article/266723--stadium-plan-53-7-million-short

The city is still months away and millions of dollars short of resolving the Pan Am stadium debate.

At city council's penultimate meeting Tuesday, council did not officially approve the CP rail yard site at Aberdeen Avenue and Longwood Road because crucial pieces of information weren't available.

The city still has to finalize several key details, including how it's going to bridge a funding gap of at least $53.7 million.

That means the final decision on the Pan Am Games will be left to the councillors set to be elected Oct. 25, sparing the current council from making a controversial decision less than two weeks before voters go to the polls.

“In the middle of an election process at this point in time without all the information, it would be irresponsible of us to make a decision other than to say, let's keep moving forward,†said Mayor Fred Eisenberger. “The next council will have some challenges to deal with, one way or another.â€

One of the biggest hurdles facing the next council will be financing.

According to city finance chief Rob Rossini, the total construction costs for the stadium are $166 million. The total funding currently committed from the three levels of government totals $125 million. That leaves a gap of $40.7 million for construction of the stadium alone, not including land acquisition, remediation, business relocation and demolition.

The Hamilton Tiger-Cats have told city officials they'll commit $8 million to $10 million over 10 years to help with construction costs.

That lessens the capital funding gap to between $30 million and $32 million.

However, Cats president Scott Mitchell made it clear at Tuesday's meeting that the city should not count on the Tiger-Cats for any further money and the team has reached its limit in terms of financial contributions.

“We're at our threshold financially. Certainly, much like the city, we're all in and want to get to a solution,†Mitchell said outside the council chamber.

The city is also short when it comes to the velodrome and west harbour redevelopment.

The city has spent $9 million on land in the west harbour, formerly earmarked as the stadium site but abandoned after the Tiger-Cats said the team would refuse to play there.

There's also a $14-million funding gap to build a permanent velodrome.

Added to the $32-million shortfall for construction of the stadium, that leaves the city looking for an additional $55 million, plus funding for land-related costs such as remediation.

The city and the Ticats are looking to the upper levels of government to come up with extra funding.

Though the province has sent positive signals about bumping up its funding levels, the federal government says it needs more time to decide whether to commit extra funding.

That's one of the reasons

why staff advised councillors to put off a decision until after the election.

Though the city and the Tiger-Cats are co-operating, neither side is entirely happy with the site.

Mitchell told councillors that private funding hasn't come as easily because the city didn't choose a suburban green field with lots of space for development.

“If you want private sector involvement, development's going to be a large part of that … If you're going to want to attract a vast amount of private sector investment, you have to go to where the private sector is going to make a lot of money.â€

Eisenberger made it clear his preferred location is still the west harbour. He expressed concern that the city hadn't allocated “a dollar†to west harbour redevelopment so far.

“My preferred option has been the west harbour. That would have been, in my view, perfect,†he said. “But compromise is working through and finding solutions for everyone.â€

Though several councillors mentioned they were pleased with the city's progress on the CP site, councillors Sam Merulla and Brian McHattie — the only two councillors who voted against moving forward with the CP lands — told council the public doesn't want a Pan Am stadium.

Merulla said the city keeps trying new sites and not finding workable solutions.

“Insanity is defined as doing the same thing over and over and expecting the same results,†he said. “At what point are we going to end the madness?â€

The next Pan Am update will be delivered to the newly elected council in January 2011.
 
Stadium plan $53.7 million short
Merulla said the city keeps trying new sites and not finding workable solutions.

“Insanity is defined as doing the same thing over and over and expecting the same results,” he said. “At what point are we going to end the madness?”

Isn't the old saying .....Insanity is defined as doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results,”
 
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Hamilton sucks, why is it in this bid again? Move judo and taekwondo to Toronto (One in Ricoh Colisuem and another in the MTCC) and then move Volleyball to Mississauga. Build the Velodrome in Markham, and move the stadium to Toronto as a new venue for the Argonauts.

ARE YOU LISTENING IAN TROOP!
 
Hamilton sucks, why is it in this bid again? Move judo and taekwondo to Toronto (One in Ricoh Colisuem and another in the MTCC) and then move Volleyball to Mississauga. Build the Velodrome in Markham, and move the stadium to Toronto as a new venue for the Argonauts.

ARE YOU LISTENING IAN TROOP!
You're a little late and a lot wrong.
 
Who knows at this point what Ford thinks about the Olympics. I can't seem to find anything where he's said "I am for/against an olympics" I doubt he has the foresight to even consider it at this point.

How? and for the stadium I mean the one they are going to build for soccer.

Hamilton is gonna mess up a Toronto olympic bid.

Care to explain how exactly? You might as well argue that Welland is going to mess up Toronto's Olympic bid too.
 
When asked what his proudest moment in council was, Ford mentioned the way everyone came together to work on the 2008 Olympic bid. (Think it was the CBC debate.) Dude loves sports. Sports sports sports. He lets people sit up front who are good guys at sports.
 
Only thing I can see Ford making sure doesn't happen... is the silly wasteful things we always see in big events. Pan Am Games will generally be a test of the Province since it is the GGH.
 
Canada has officially put forth its bid for the 2015 FIFA Women's World Cup and we are basically the frontrunners to win.

Toronto could possibly be chosen as two host venues for the event.

2015 is shaping up to be a great year sports wise for our city
 
Canada has officially put forth its bid for the 2015 FIFA Women's World Cup and we are basically the frontrunners to win.

Toronto could possibly be chosen as two host venues for the event.

2015 is shaping up to be a great year sports wise for our city

Do the two events overlap? How will the logistics play out -- helpful or havoc?
 
2011's tourney takes place from June 26 to July 17, while the Pan Am's will take place from July 10 to July 26. There's nothing to say that the World Cup can't be held later in the summer. It wouldn't be able to overlap if they had any hope of using BMO Field.

I'm also wondering if we might see a World Jr. Hockey Championship in the GTA around then. There hasn't been on in southern Ontario since 1986. You'd think we're due.
 

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