Dan416
Senior Member
I fail to see how an SELRT is more regional than a short subway extension. Why are you trying to fool us? Why are you lying to use? WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO DECEIVE US!
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Time for one GTA transit authority?
- Thread starter W. K. Lis
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I fail to see how an SELRT is more regional than a short subway extension. Why are you trying to fool us? Why are you lying to use? WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO DECEIVE US!
Electrify
Senior Member
Jumping in, I'd say the SELRT is very local considering its frequent stop spacing.
On topic, I do think it is time for one main transit organization for the GTHA. Hell, brand all the systems from Halton to Durham under the TTC and call it a day.
On topic, I do think it is time for one main transit organization for the GTHA. Hell, brand all the systems from Halton to Durham under the TTC and call it a day.
doady
Senior Member
Yes it is time for a single transit system for all GTA, especially when the City of Toronto effectively bans all 905 transit in its borders, creating overly complicated procedures and policies for cross-border 406-905 travel.
In addition to a ban on "competing" cross-border 905 transit services, Toronto refuses to fund any transit outside its borders, except along Elson Rd. and to the airport. Even Westwood Mall is too far for the TTC, so it ends the 36 Finch West bus a mere 1.3 km away from a major regional terminal. Bad for Malton residents, even worse for Rexdale residents, and the latter high unemployment rate is probably not surprising considering the transit situation...
Even some part within City of Toronto border, Toronto does not fund transit, such as Eglinton between Etobicoke Creek and Explorer, expecting MT to pay.
And then there's Toronto's refusal to fully implement Presto even though the rest of the GTA is on board. Imagine six houses in a 2x3 rectangular block that have an opportunity to each have fences built for their backyards. But they can't because one of the houses in the middle refuses to pay for any fences. Toronto is like that house in middle.
In addition to a ban on "competing" cross-border 905 transit services, Toronto refuses to fund any transit outside its borders, except along Elson Rd. and to the airport. Even Westwood Mall is too far for the TTC, so it ends the 36 Finch West bus a mere 1.3 km away from a major regional terminal. Bad for Malton residents, even worse for Rexdale residents, and the latter high unemployment rate is probably not surprising considering the transit situation...
Even some part within City of Toronto border, Toronto does not fund transit, such as Eglinton between Etobicoke Creek and Explorer, expecting MT to pay.
And then there's Toronto's refusal to fully implement Presto even though the rest of the GTA is on board. Imagine six houses in a 2x3 rectangular block that have an opportunity to each have fences built for their backyards. But they can't because one of the houses in the middle refuses to pay for any fences. Toronto is like that house in middle.
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nfitz
Superstar
One is 3-4 km long with no plans to go more than 6-7 km. The other is 15 km long with a long-term proposal to connect to Durham. This is why one is regional, and the other isn't.
I can only assume that you are using fool as a noun.
cacruden
Senior Member
I still don't see the need on amalgamating anything. Amalgamating a bunch of dysfunctional organizations will only end up resulting in one very screwed up organization.
The problem is that the Ontario government should be setting setting up specific funding formulas etc., which have strings attached to them. In addition, the TTC should not have a monopoly on services in Toronto. The government should be creating a crown corporation/outsource whose sole function is to process payments - a single payment system - where all municipalities have to support it if they want to receive any subsidies. The single payment system would be used for transit, road tolls, and public parking.
old boy
Senior Member
Portraying it as one municipality against another is missing the point. The provincial government has allowed the depressing situation to develop . For lack of politicall the GTA continues to suffer .
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cacruden
Senior Member
Yes, seen this before with Kingston Township and Kingston where the Kingston Township buses had to go to a connection point for connecting to city buses and not stop between the border and the terminal location -- which is really stupid. The Ontario government should overrule local petty empire building bureaucrats - with the threat of loss of subsidies.
Jonny5
Senior Member
This is also a union issue. Some ATU branches won't accept others doing work in "their territory". Putting aside how asinine that is, it's not an issue the provincial government can dictate away.
This came up with VIVA buses using the York U Busway last year. Are they allowed to pick up TTC passengers at York U and carry them to Downsview yet? I recall they were going to from day one, but the Toronto ATU objected and scuttled this plan.
TJ O'Pootertoot
Senior Member
Yeah, they've been running a pilot since late August and plan to analyze it early in the new year.
It was easier to land on the moon than to figure out whether empty Viva buses could carry passengers who wouldn't fit on TTC buses but, gosh darn it, they did it!
It was easier to land on the moon than to figure out whether empty Viva buses could carry passengers who wouldn't fit on TTC buses but, gosh darn it, they did it!
Electrify
Senior Member
Viva buses can take TTC passengers, but they cannot use the busway...
Who needs anti-union politicians? These unions (or at least government ones) seem to be doing a fine job shooting themselves in the foot as it is.
Who needs anti-union politicians? These unions (or at least government ones) seem to be doing a fine job shooting themselves in the foot as it is.
GenerationW
Senior Member
Whatever a line on a TC map might say, the SELRT as currently proposed is clearly local. Otherwise we might as well call the 1970's Spadina extension to Wilson regional since it's now being extended into York Region.
Good meltdown!
Justin10000
Banned
York Region is waiting for approval from Imperial Oil to ammend the agreement to allow VIVA buses to use the busway. Why do people automaticaly blame unions for any problem?
One would end at a Provincially-determined Regional Node and Designated Growth Centre, the other would end in suburban Never Never Land.
Dan416
Senior Member
zing
And look at the Metrolinx RTP, quite a few lines going into Scarborough Centre... So please explain to me how a local LRT line out into the boonies would have more regional implications than a line linking TWO major growth centres, and serves as a terminus for every rapid transit line in Durham Region. I'd love to hear the explanation as to why Morningside and Sheppard is a better transfer point than STC, especially given that once the DRT bus drops them off at Morningside and Sheppard, it would be a 15 minute ride (at least) on the LRT before they even got another rapid transit line, and a good 30 minutes before they reached the nearest subway.
If the goal of locating the transfer point at Morningside and Sheppard is to make cross-border municipal transit as difficult for people in Durham Region as possible, then mission accomplished! Otherwise, put the transfer where it makes some sense.
If the goal of locating the transfer point at Morningside and Sheppard is to make cross-border municipal transit as difficult for people in Durham Region as possible, then mission accomplished! Otherwise, put the transfer where it makes some sense.
