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spmarshall
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What about Green Bay, Wisconsin? Maybe it gets the Milwaukee market, but even that city's not that big. Jacksonville isn't all that big either (with Tampa, Miami and Atlanta on all sides).
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Bogtrotter
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I think this small TV market is a bunch of bull. Bob McCown keeps going on about it as well. How is Toronto, among the top ten cities in NA in population and a huge media market, *not* a large tv market?
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Darkstar416
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We were talking about Buffalo being a small TV market, not T.O.
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Bogtrotter
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Yeh I know. Buffalo is no diferenet fron GB or TB or JP. I'm talking about an NFL team in Toronto.
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Long Island Mike
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Everyone: Interesting topic on the NFL entering Canada or Toronto! As an NFL fan myself - I grew up a NY Jets fan but like many NFL teams and cities-EXCEPT the dreaded Dallas Cowboys-I thought I would add my thoughts on this issue. I believe-as many have noted here have-the NFL would do well in Toronto but I believe moving another cities' team is NOT the answer. I am thinking more along the lines of creating - or taking over 4 NFL franchises in Canada that have - or could create the stadium capacity the NFL would require. They would be: Montreal, Toronto,Calgary and Vancouver. The new franchises would be continuation or direct take-over of CFL franchises and examples I am thinking of are: Toronto could call its team the Argonauts if it was allowed;Calgary can use the exact same name and colors for its team-the Stampeders is a good name;Vancouver and Montreal would create new names and colors-the name LIONS is already in use in Detroit as most know. Perhaps the NFL could even buy up the CFL and turn the other cities - and their small stadiums - into minor league franchises serving the NFL. It was a surprise to me in a way that the 90s CFL expansion into the USA was a failure-that Baltimore Stallions franchise almost won the Grey Cup in its first year-it than won it in its second-but starving football fans in Baltimore held out for the NFL Ravens to move there from Cleveland. It turned out to be a blessing in disguise for Cleveland-in the three-year hiatus 1996-97-98 not only did Cleveland get the Browns back for '99 it got a new stadium to replace old Municipal Stadium-nicknamed The Mistake on the Lake. What happened was all the Browns' history and all else with the team stayed in Cleveland and the Baltimore Ravens were the equivalent of a expansion team. Yes-Los Angeles should get a NFL team if the fans will support it-not moving the San Diego Chargers up north as a replacement. In closing a NFL team can clearly work out in Toronto and I believe not hurt the Buffalo Bills in the process. Toronto and Buffalo have the potential to become quite a NFL rivalry like it is in the NHL. - Information,opinions and observations from LI MIKE -
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Darkstar416
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Even though the likilihood of the NHL taking-over 4 Canadians teams is nil, I don't understand the following...
Why?
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Admiral Beez
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Oh lordy, here we go again. I can't wait until Toronto finally wins an Olympic bid, so we can finally put that dream behind us.
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Long Island Mike
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The NFL in Toronto?
Darkstar: The Montreal team slipped by me in that post I wrote. I am thinking about the Alouettes,Concordes as team names or even a change like Nordiques or Marauders. In the case of Vancouver I like the name VANCOUVER WILDCATS to replace the BC Lions name. This subject is all driven by MONEY-the sport of football is a business like any other-and changes like I propose will all come down to the revenue that each team or teams generate. The NFL fully knows that they must put their best teams on the field for our enjoyment-the football fan is their bread and butter so to speak. My two cents here also-Long Island Mike
Darkstar: The Montreal team slipped by me in that post I wrote. I am thinking about the Alouettes,Concordes as team names or even a change like Nordiques or Marauders. In the case of Vancouver I like the name VANCOUVER WILDCATS to replace the BC Lions name. This subject is all driven by MONEY-the sport of football is a business like any other-and changes like I propose will all come down to the revenue that each team or teams generate. The NFL fully knows that they must put their best teams on the field for our enjoyment-the football fan is their bread and butter so to speak. My two cents here also-Long Island Mike
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cacruden
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Re: The NFL in Toronto?
Last I heard that acquiring an NFL franchise would cost in the order of a billion dollars. I cannot see a NFL franchise being worth that much for Toronto, and I don't want any significant funds invested in it. We have better things to do with the money. I am also not interested in any public money invested in Olympic bids either....
Last I heard that acquiring an NFL franchise would cost in the order of a billion dollars. I cannot see a NFL franchise being worth that much for Toronto, and I don't want any significant funds invested in it. We have better things to do with the money. I am also not interested in any public money invested in Olympic bids either....
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Bogtrotter
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Re: The NFL in Toronto?
I would support professional football in Toronto. However the NFL doesn't seem very interested in expanding here.
I would support professional football in Toronto. However the NFL doesn't seem very interested in expanding here.
Long Island Mike
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Nfl Team In Toronto?
CACruden,Bogtrotter and all: I personally like the NFL but I am no fan of expenditures of taxpayer dollars for private profit-or corporate welfare if you choose to call it that. I will mention an example I recall as a example: The NE Patriots were looking to get out of inadequate-to-them Sullivan Stadium in Foxboro,MA back in the mid 90s time period or so. They struck up a deal with the State of Connecticut to move to a new stadium that would have been constructed in Hartford,CT but the deal that the Pats would have gotten would have literally taken the taxpayers of CT to the cleaners. This deal was even exposed by NBC NEWS in its "Fleecing of America" series. When CT taxpayers got wind of it it caused a revolt of sorts-also by moving to Hartford they would have moved W of a vast majority of their fans. Another thing that was brought forth was a downtown stadium in Providence,RI that would have made more sense but that also was nixed in favor of what became Gillette Stadium-right next door to the old facility in Foxboro,MA. We all know the result of a solid Patriots team-three Super Bowl titles and numerous winning seasons later. I for one have never liked in any way holding fans at ransom for a new stadium deal or other corporate welfare-in the 90s this was getting a bit much-even the Buffalo Bills' owner at one point was looking at possibly moving them. To me it is the loyal fan being shafted-in the name of pure honest GREED! These are my opinions and observations from a sports fan-LI MIKE
CACruden,Bogtrotter and all: I personally like the NFL but I am no fan of expenditures of taxpayer dollars for private profit-or corporate welfare if you choose to call it that. I will mention an example I recall as a example: The NE Patriots were looking to get out of inadequate-to-them Sullivan Stadium in Foxboro,MA back in the mid 90s time period or so. They struck up a deal with the State of Connecticut to move to a new stadium that would have been constructed in Hartford,CT but the deal that the Pats would have gotten would have literally taken the taxpayers of CT to the cleaners. This deal was even exposed by NBC NEWS in its "Fleecing of America" series. When CT taxpayers got wind of it it caused a revolt of sorts-also by moving to Hartford they would have moved W of a vast majority of their fans. Another thing that was brought forth was a downtown stadium in Providence,RI that would have made more sense but that also was nixed in favor of what became Gillette Stadium-right next door to the old facility in Foxboro,MA. We all know the result of a solid Patriots team-three Super Bowl titles and numerous winning seasons later. I for one have never liked in any way holding fans at ransom for a new stadium deal or other corporate welfare-in the 90s this was getting a bit much-even the Buffalo Bills' owner at one point was looking at possibly moving them. To me it is the loyal fan being shafted-in the name of pure honest GREED! These are my opinions and observations from a sports fan-LI MIKE
Pep'rJack
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^ Agree. There are unsettling similarities between these types of fleecings and what appears to be materializing around Project Symphony - one doesn't have to try too hard to envision that turning out Skydome-like, with a private corp ending up with a dirt-cheap publicly funded building.