urbanclient
Active Member
I don't have much faith the number will come down. To paraphrase the professor in the Flying Moose REM video, when escalation and contingency buffer are offered, they're almost certainly to be used.
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The Increasingly Exorbitant Cost of (Transit) Infrastructure
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I don't have much faith the number will come down. To paraphrase the professor in the Flying Moose REM video, when escalation and contingency buffer are offered, they're almost certainly to be used.
Northern Light
Superstar
I concur with @duffo that the contingency here is bloated, and should come down (its not the only project component for which this is an issue); the very notion that soft costs exceed hard costs is absurd.
Regrettably, I also concur with @urbanclient that they are unlikely to come down. Its not impossible to do, we certainly ought to try, and I would find it challenging to endorse this project unless they do. But there certainly are vested interests
that treat the public as saps to be milked, rather than citizens whose hard earned dollars ought to be used with care and integrity.
Regrettably, I also concur with @urbanclient that they are unlikely to come down. Its not impossible to do, we certainly ought to try, and I would find it challenging to endorse this project unless they do. But there certainly are vested interests
that treat the public as saps to be milked, rather than citizens whose hard earned dollars ought to be used with care and integrity.
rbt
Senior Member
Anyone know what Metrolinx is missing, or value engineered, in Systems? It's well below the Italy version with hard cost ratios normalized. Signals, communication, power, [anything else?] seem like they shouldn't be cheaper in Ontario.
urbanclient
Active Member
rbt
Senior Member
And how do we know the delineation between soft and hard costs is the same? Design and Training for the signal system could either be a hard cost because it's included with the hardware purchase agreement or a soft cost from a separate consulting company.
Yes, Metrolinx clearly has a lot of consultant spending, but I still wonder just how much of that missing 15% from Systems is within Professional Services instead.
urbanclient
Active Member
You could be right, but please also remember that Italian projects cost much less than Mx projects to begin, roughly 1/3rd to 1/4th. So Mx 'systems' don't cost 1/4th of Italian systems, they cost about the same, I don't remember the source, but I remember reading that Italians classify part of what Mx would consider line works and facilities under systems instead.