hw621
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The F22 was from 30 years ago. It still has no rivalry.
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The coming $26 billion windfall for the Canadian Armed Forces. What to buy?
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EBT
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Why not? The president of the United States - a certifiable madman - is waging an ECONOMIC WAR on Canada. According to Carney, this war on Canada has already wiped out 1.8% of our GDP, or about $50 billion, or, put another way, has taken $1,300 out of the pocket of every Canadian man, woman, and child. This is the REALITY! Under these circumstances, why would Canada ever contemplate buying any military equipment from the United States until Trump lifts all tariffs? These massive contracts should have been used as leverage by Carney. Months ago, Carney should have told Trump that we are suspending ALL military purchases from the United States until Trump lifts all tariffs on Canada within a specified period of time, after which the contracts will be cancelled and our divorce from the United States will be complete.
Can you cite any examples of when China or Russia has retaliated against Canada, costing our economy billions? Just one example? At this point in our relationship with the United States, why wouldn't we prefer to do business with China or Russia instead of the United States? Turkey, a NATO nation with the biggest military after the United States, bought Russian S-400 air defense systems (best in the world). Canada should follow Turkey's example. We can no longer be a US vasal state. Not when Trump is taking a sledgehammer to our economy. Canada needs to get out of this abusive relationship with the United States. It is like our country is suffering from a form of battered spouse syndrome.
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Admiral Beez
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Was? The F-22 is from over 30 years ago, and still flying today in frontline service. Why the past tense?
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kEiThZ
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Not quite. The Chinese J-20 is close. Among many reasons the US is trying to move onto Sixth Gen aircraft.
Admiral Beez
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The Koreans are going all out to woo us. Even so, I didn’t expect to see an ad for Korean submarines in today’s Toronto Star.
Good looking website, https://kss-iii.ca. No coupon or promo though?
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hw621
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Are they going to build it in Brampton?
Admiral Beez
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Lol, you had me thoroughly confused there. But now I want to head out to Brampton to try their subs.
Midtown Urbanist
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Surprised this was not posted already in this thread.
www.politico.eu
If Europe is serious about rearmament, then they will not be able to do it fully themselves. The likes of SAAB, Rheinmettal, and others cannot simply multiply their production lines sixfold overnight. Either their procurement will be scheduled for 2035 or they will need to procure from places like India, Korea, and, perhaps, Canada? And why not Canada, the expertise and manufacturing capacity is here, as is the access to raw goods and materials.
Canada clinches deal to join Europe’s €150B defense scheme
The deal concludes months of tough talks and will allow Ottawa to take part in procurements financed by the EU’s SAFE program.
www.politico.eu
If Europe is serious about rearmament, then they will not be able to do it fully themselves. The likes of SAAB, Rheinmettal, and others cannot simply multiply their production lines sixfold overnight. Either their procurement will be scheduled for 2035 or they will need to procure from places like India, Korea, and, perhaps, Canada? And why not Canada, the expertise and manufacturing capacity is here, as is the access to raw goods and materials.
hw621
Senior Member
What do we make that they need?Surprised this was not posted already in this thread.
Canada clinches deal to join Europe’s €150B defense scheme
The deal concludes months of tough talks and will allow Ottawa to take part in procurements financed by the EU’s SAFE program.
If Europe is serious about rearmament, then they will not be able to do it fully themselves. The likes of SAAB, Rheinmettal, and others cannot simply multiply their production lines sixfold overnight. Either their procurement will be scheduled for 2035 or they will need to procure from places like India, Korea, and, perhaps, Canada? And why not Canada, the expertise and manufacturing capacity is here, as is the access to raw goods and materials.
Midtown Urbanist
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Armoured vehicles probably if we are discussing Canadian products, but more likely, this will be European products by European defence firms, procured by European militaries on Canadian shores, to reduce costs and expedite delivery timelines.
hw621
Senior Member
You mean Europeans setting up shops in Canada to produce what they procure?
lenaitch
Senior Member
Keep in mind that the armoured vehicle manufacturer in London, General Dynamics Land Systems Canada is a US-owned branch plant, which may or may not complicate things.
guavadelic
Active Member
The low fee for Canada to join SAFE (10million euros) is making some question the potential benefits of the program. For reference, the UK was being asked to pay between 4 and 6.5 Billion euros.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/business/art...a-must-pay-10m-euros-to-join-eu-defence-deal/
kEiThZ
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Cause it's really not as big a deal as some think. It's like buying a guest pass at a gym. That's what €10M is. We're doing it so some of our companies get access to the market.
They are trying to do exactly what we are trying to do: keep more defence dollars at home. And if not in country, then in Europe. Setting up assembly lines in Canada wouldn't make sense for them. Those are the easiest jobs to keep.
We make some of the best simulators (CAE), electro-optical sensors (Wescam) and satellites (MDA), mission software (GD Mission Systems and Lock Mart Canada) around. The LAV is so good, the Americans bought a version of it as the Stryker. Broadly, the public is mostly ignorant of defence issues and defaults to understanding things they can understand and look up on Wikipedia like fighter jets. It's why you won't see the average muggle talking about something like this:
Canada welcomes German Navy $1-billion purchase of Canadian CMS 330 combat management system - Naval News
On November 17, 2025, Canada's Minister of International Trade welcomed the signature of the Canadian Commercial Corporation’s (CCC) government-to-government (G2G) contract with Germany’s Federal Office of Bundeswehr Equipment, Information Technology and In-Service Support to equip the German...
www.navalnews.com
hw621
Senior Member
It's Lockheed Martin Canada, a US company?Cause it's really not as big a deal as some think. It's like buying a guest pass at a gym. That's what €10M is. We're doing it so some of our companies get access to the market.
They are trying to do exactly what we are trying to do: keep more defence dollars at home. And if not in country, then in Europe. Setting up assembly lines in Canada wouldn't make sense for them. Those are the easiest jobs to keep.
We make some of the best simulators (CAE), electro-optical sensors (Wescam) and satellites (MDA), mission software (GD Mission Systems and Lock Mart Canada) around. The LAV is so good, the Americans bought a version of it as the Stryker. Broadly, the public is mostly ignorant of defence issues and defaults to understanding things they can understand and look up on Wikipedia like fighter jets. It's why you won't see the average muggle talking about something like this:
Canada welcomes German Navy $1-billion purchase of Canadian CMS 330 combat management system - Naval News
On November 17, 2025, Canada's Minister of International Trade welcomed the signature of the Canadian Commercial Corporation’s (CCC) government-to-government (G2G) contract with Germany’s Federal Office of Bundeswehr Equipment, Information Technology and In-Service Support to equip the German...