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T.O. to become wireless hotspot

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Internet surfing and access won't be the killer app for this. The real reason Rogers and Bellus are shaking is that once the city is covered in lowcost or free wifi, people can start using VOIP phones and abandon the $50/month plans they're on now.
 
I'm still skeptical about Toronto Hydro providing free or low cost access to their wireless network. Depending on what backhaul they use, more users means more bandwidth usage and this could impact the delivery of apps they plan on using.
 
... and MSN messenger. I don't have to call up friends on where to meet downtown anymore. If they have a laptop I can just messege them!

Hopefully the WiFi coverage will include the Cityview Cafe at the Bay on Queen Street. I look forward to the day when I can sit down for lunch and enjoy the food, the view and the Internet all at the same time!

Maybe with WiFi some of the forumers can provide live updates of construction projects. You can write the updates, take photos of the construction and post the update on the forum all while you're checking out the construction site!
 
Cool, but how safe is it?
Toronto Hydro plans blanket wireless network for city core
Some urge caution in the face of potential health risks
Mar. 8, 2006. 05:21 AM
ISABEL TEOTONIO
STAFF REPORTER

News that Toronto will be blanketed by radio signals enabling Internet access anywhere downtown, had some cautioning yesterday that officials should move slowly since little is known about associated health risks.

"Where are the studies that demonstrate this is safe?" asked David Fancy, head of SWEEP Initiative, which stands for "safe wireless electrical and electromagnetic policies."

"I have never seen any actual peer-reviewed science, epidemiological studies done with human subjects over an extensive period of time that suggests this is actually safe," said Fancy, also a dramatic arts professor at Brock University.

"Let's be honest about this, let's see the science around this before we move."

His comments came on the heels of yesterday's announcement that Toronto Hydro plans to blanket the city core by the end of the year with wireless fidelity (WiFi) coverage, which would allow logging on to the Web anywhere in the "hotspot."

Dr. Louis Slesin, founder and publisher of New York-based scientific newsletter Microwave News, doubts there are major health risks, but echoed Fancy's concerns, saying, "We haven't done our homework on this."

"This is the new era, this is the new world and it's not going to go away, so it seems that we should be doing long-term studies about what we're doing to our urban environments," said Slesin, adding that U.S. cities are doing much the same. "The jury is still out on this one," Slesin said in a telephone interview.

It's that belief that prompted Fred Gilbert, president of Lakehead University in Thunder Bay, to ban WiFi networks from parts of the campus.

"There is some evidence, and it's growing evidence, that there might be health effects, so why should we unnecessarily expose people to this — whether they want it or not — until we're absolutely certain?" Gilbert said.

But physicist Tony Muc, of the University of Toronto's Faculty of Medicine, argues that, in fact, the "scientific jury is in."

While extensive studies on WiFi haven't been conducted, he pointed out that research has been done on other electromagnetic waves, the kind that we're bombarded with each day from household appliances, microwaves, cellphones and radios.

"You have radio and TV signals travelling through your home, through your workplace, and this would be no different," said Muc, who has studied the impact of electromagnetic fields and radiation on human tissue.

"There are subtle differences in the way that information is being carried and is encoded by (WiFi) waves ... But I don't believe there's anything particularly problematic when it comes to health hazards.

"I can't say that I'm other than amused by reactions against a specific application when there are literally dozens of others that are conceptually identical already out there."

Shahrokh Valaee, a U of T computer engineering professor, agrees. "The whole matter has really been overblown," he said. "We experience signals every day of our lives, and singling out WiFi as a (danger) is an overreaction."

_________________________________________________

other electromagnetic waves? that bolded comment is what got me worried because that is not a valid point which leads me to suspect that they really do not know of any risks.

not all waves are created equal.


S band
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The S band ranges from 2.0 to 4.0 GHz., crossing the imaginary boundary between UHF and SHF at 3.0 GHz. It is part of the microwave band of the electromagnetic spectrum. The S band is used by weather radar and some communications satellites. The 10-cm radar short-band ranges roughly from 1.55 to 5.2 GHz.

S band is also used in optical communications to refer to the wavelength range from 1450nm to 1490nm.

In the U.S., the FCC approved Digital Audio Radio Satellite (DARS) broadcasts in the S band around 2.3 GHz, currently used by Sirius Satellite Radio and XM Satellite Radio.

More recently, the FCC has approved for portions of the S band between 2.0 and 2.2 GHz the creation of Mobile Satellite Services (MSS) networks in connection with Ancillary Terrestrial Components (ACN). There are presently a number of companies attempting to deploy such networks, including ICO Satellite Management and TerreStar.

Wireless network equipment compatible with IEEE 802.11b and 802.11g standards use the 2.4GHz section of the S band. The exact frequency range allocated for this type of use varies between countries.


i didn't read this all....

Microwave Bioeffect
 
Wifi might not be able to handle VOIP phones (yet, anyway). it's better with the surfing.emailing.
 
I'm still skeptical about Toronto Hydro providing free or low cost access to their wireless network.
I have not seen anything that indicates this will be provided at or below cost. The Metro Morning interview indicated it would probably be cheaper than DSL or Cable which really means it will be close to the same rate.

I have no doubt that Toronto Hydro will take a profit from this.
 
Todays Toronto Sun reports..
David Dobbin, president of Toronto Hydro Telecom, said yesterday nothing is free. Either the municipality is building it and the taxpayers are paying, or advertisers pay in the free system.
This week Toronto Hydro announced it is bringing the wireless Internet service to our downtown core, but following a six-month trial, it will be pay-per-use.
 
Does anybody know how far east the initial service will cover? Will it reach to Jarvis st?
 
Health agency eyes WiFi
Hydro tries to allay fears of possible hazards from signals
No health issues in Fredericton, which started service in '03
Mar. 10, 2006. 06:57 AM
TYLER HAMILTON AND PHINJO GOMBU
STAFF REPORTERS

The city's public health department says it expects to contact Toronto Hydro in the coming days to learn more about its plans to blanket the city under a giant wireless hotspot.

Toronto Hydro's telecom subsidiary plans to install wireless WiFi transmitters on streetlight posts throughout downtown and beyond over the next three years to provide Torontonians who pay a fee with near-ubiquitous broadband Internet access.

The initiative, while widely applauded, is drawing criticism from some citizens concerned about the potential health effects of a wireless system sending signals into every nook and cranny of the city.

"I do not want my daughter exposed to this unwanted health risk," Helen Armstrong wrote in a letter to the Star. "Why should we all become guinea pigs?"

Gil Hardy, a spokesperson for Toronto Public Health, said it's still early and the department is trying to learn more about the project.

Dave Dobbin, president of Toronto Hydro Telecom, said the company's research has found no health risk involved with its WiFi plan. The technology also complies with Health Canada safety standards, he said.

"Cordless phones, garage door openers, baby monitors ... there's a lot of stuff that has used this spectrum for a long time," said Dobbin. "If something concrete comes along and says this is bad, we will take immediate action at that time."

No health concerns have been raised in Fredericton, N.B., which in 2003 became the first city in Canada to blanket its downtown core with WiFi technology, said Maurice Gallant, who headed the project.

WiFi technology is "essentially the same stuff as radio signals," said Gallant, who heads e-Novations, the not-for-profit company operated on behalf of the City of Fredericton.

"There's been a lot of research in this area. There's no link that's ever been established as far as I know."

One difference between Toronto and Fredericton, Gallant noted, is that in his city, wireless access is free in the downtown core because the municipality believes that, like a sidewalk, intellectual infrastructure should be accessible to all.

Concern over the potential health effects of wireless signals has been around since the early 1990s, with most of the attention focused on cellphones.

While most studies suggest signals pose no apparent health risks, many scientists and some health authorities have urged caution, saying it's too early to rule out possible health effects because many cancers and illnesses take more than a decade to manifest themselves.

Some have chosen a precautionary approach. Lakehead University in Thunder Bay has banned WiFi hotspots in certain public areas until more is known about its health effects.

The public health department of Salzburg, Austria, advised a ban last year on WiFi in all schools and kindergartens because of "seen" symptoms from exposure, including headaches, concentration difficulties, restlessness and memory problems.

Meanwhile, Hydro is considering a request from Mayor David Miller to look into giving low-income residents free WiFi access, Dobbin said.

Washington, D.C., has plans for similar service, but is insisting the provider offer free Internet access, and perhaps even free computers and training, to low-income residents.

With files from John Spears
 
"I do not want my daughter exposed to this unwanted health risk," Helen Armstrong wrote in a letter to the Star. "Why should we all become guinea pigs?"

For crying out loud, your daughter already is exposed to these "unwanted health risks" everyday, unless she goes out onto the street in a lead-lined Faraday cage?

AoD
 
esplanade:

Yup, to Jarvis I believe. I wish they have a map of the coverage at the Hydro Telecom site, apparently somebody forgot to put it on or tried real hard to make it difficult to find...

AoD
 
I don’t understand all the hysteria in regard to wireless signals. Most microwaves and cordless phones emit signals that fall within the same 2.4GHz frequency band that 802.11b WLANs utilize.
 
radiation is all around us but that doesn't make it healthy. everything from electricity at 60hz - messing up our schumann
resonance, solar radiation - giving us cancer, microwaves, etc. has an effect on us. there are lots of frequencies out there and each frequency could have a different effect on health (positive or negative) but not every person would be effected in the same way.

i wouldn't walk around downtown in a lead suit but i wouldn't stand too close to one of these things for a long time neither.
 
As long as you stay away from high-powered emitters, you're fine. None of the equipment mentioned here counts as high-powered.

BTW, there's a lot more going on in S-band (or D-band as it's now known) than what that wiki article says. They'll never be able to put these systems into Halifax or Esquimalt.

Kevin
 

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