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Suburbs foster more sense of community than downtown

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Suburbs foster more sense of community than downtown
study: Those living outside the cities have more friends and know their neighbours

Published: Saturday, November 11, 2006

If absence makes the heart grow fonder in far-flung romances, it seems a bit of elbow-room does the same for neighbours.

A new study says that people who live in sprawling suburban areas have more friends, better community involvement and more frequent contact with their neighbours than urbanites who are wedged in side-by-side.

The results challenge the accepted idea that suburban life is socially alienating -- a notion that's inspired everything from the Academy Award-winning American Beauty to Harvard professor Robert Putnam's book Bowling Alone.

The study, released by the University of California at Irvine, found that for every 10 per cent decrease in population density, the chances of people talking to their neighbours weekly increases by 10 per cent, and the likelihood they belong to hobby-based clubs jumps by 15 per cent.

"We found that interaction goes down as population density goes up. So, turning it around, it says that interaction is higher where densities are lower," says Jan Brueckner, an economics professor at UC Irvine who led the study. "What that means is suburban living promotes more interaction than living in the central city."

The results are no surprise to Fayrouz Costa, who has lived in -- and loved -- the Toronto suburb of Mississauga, Ont., for the last 20 years. She has two young children and is constantly socializing with her neighbours, who take turns watching over each other's children while they play outside and house-sitting for those on vacation.

"You couldn't give me a free house in the city and say, 'Move here.' Honestly, I could never do it," she says. "There's just too many people, people are too close to each other and people are not friendly. I'm a chatterer and people don't chat in the city."

Costa is a member of her community centre, where she uses the fitness facilities five days a week and knows "almost everyone." She contrasts her lifestyle with that of her sister, who lives and works in Toronto, and concludes that she "would never leave the suburbs."

"People are always in a rush to get where they need to go and they work a lot more," Costa says of life in the city. "A lot of the time in the suburbs, people have families and their life is a little more relaxed."

That "social homogeneity" may partly explain the closeness of neighbours in the suburbs, says Pierre Filion, a professor of urban planning at the University of Waterloo. Young children often act as social catalysts for their parents, and people in the suburbs tend to have more common ground than the diverse lifestyles crammed into a given city block, he says.

"People [in the suburbs] are pretty much of the same social class, same social background and so on, which eases interaction between people," Filion says. "At the other extreme, you can have a whole bunch of people living in a condo, but you've got old people, young people, people in between. You won't have that much interaction because of the differences."

Brueckner says the UC Irvine study accounted for differences in social class, family structure and other factors, and found that people are still friendlier in the suburbs. The results suggest society needs to re-think some received wisdom about the evils of suburbia, he says, but other criticisms about the loss of green space and the costs of commuting still stand.

"All the other arguments against urban sprawl are still there, it just removes this particular one from the list when you're complaining," he says.

Lyn Scott has lived in Steveston for the last three decades and watched as it grew from a sleepy village to "the 'in' place for young families to live," a 30-minute drive from downtown Vancouver.

She is now the block captain of a neighbourhood watch program that welcomes new residents, keeps tabs on crime and hosts an annual block party. While most young families who move into her neighbourhood are surprised to find such quaint niceties, some have a hard time adjusting to the suburban scene, she says.

"Some of them are a little bit cynical and say, 'Oh, that makes me feel really safe, having a block watch,' " Scott says in a faux-sarcastic tone. "But they come around."

© The Vancouver Sun 2006

Louroz
 
It depends on how old the suburban area is. When we first moved into our previous house, which was new, we were on good terms with at least half the street, including all neighbours within a radius of about 5 houses. We'd walk into their houses unannounced and raid their fridge, all us kids grew up and went to school together, etc. Relatives moved in nearby, too. Ten years later, 95% of our relatives and friends in the area had moved, mostly to York Region...for most of them, it was a result of flocking together - one moves and ten families follow them. They now belong to new communities. Those left behind, however, now barely manage a smile and "Hi", and language barriers are not the main reason why there's no community here anymore. Every household is at a different stage in life and in some ways the 'hood is less homogenous. People are paranoid and they find can community in places other than their immediate neighbours, it's just really easy to find it in a new suburb.
 
Here is the paper in question:

www.socsci.uci.edu/~jkbru...teract.pdf

One thing has to be said however - the study doesn't really look at the intensity of social interaction beyond simple numerical frequency - to equate social interaction and by default sense of community to that by itself is an oversimplification. Really, think about it - does the number of times you speak to a neighbour has anything to do with sense of community? In addition, I would be VERY hesitant to apply US data to the Canadian context, considering the reputation the downtowns in the former country.

Of all things, I found voter turnout to be a far better indicator than anything else.

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The results are no surprise to Fayrouz Costa, who has lived in -- and loved -- the Toronto suburb of Mississauga, Ont., for the last 20 years. She has two young children and is constantly socializing with her neighbours, who take turns watching over each other's children while they play outside and house-sitting for those on vacation.

"You couldn't give me a free house in the city and say, 'Move here.' Honestly, I could never do it," she says. "There's just too many people, people are too close to each other and people are not friendly. I'm a chatterer and people don't chat in the city."

So she loves to chatter and socialize, but doesn't like the city because there's too many people and they're too close together? Doesn't quite make sense.

I've found residential areas in the city to be just as social as any you'd find in the suburbs, and probably moreso. You have an overall greater chance for interaction in the city and the same opportunity to create relationships with your neighbours.

"People are always in a rush to get where they need to go and they work a lot more," Costa says of life in the city. "A lot of the time in the suburbs, people have families and their life is a little more relaxed."

Something of a myth...people don't necessarily work a lot more, and even if they do, they typically don't have the long commute many suburbanites do.

Costa is a member of her community centre, where she uses the fitness facilities five days a week and knows "almost everyone."

This may come as a suprise to her, but there are a lot of community centres in the city.


She contrasts her lifestyle with that of her sister, who lives and works in Toronto, and concludes that she "would never leave the suburbs."

Does her sister have a family? Is she single? None of this is mentioned, making the comparison kind of pointless.


"People [in the suburbs] are pretty much of the same social class, same social background and so on, which eases interaction between people," Filion says. "At the other extreme, you can have a whole bunch of people living in a condo, but you've got old people, young people, people in between. You won't have that much interaction because of the differences."


The problem with this is that these two lifestyles are not exclusive to the suburbs and city, respectively.
 
"One thing has to be said however - the study doesn't really look at the intensity of social interaction beyond simple numerical frequency"

It's been my experience that a, sometimes the, main reason that people to the suburbs is to be closer to friends and family. In that case, of course the quality and quantity of interactions will be high.

"I've found residential areas in the city to be just as social as any you'd find in the suburbs, and probably moreso."

'More social' does not necessarily equal 'more of a community.' Lots of city interactions are random and anonymous.
 
'More social' does not necessarily equal 'more of a community.' Lots of city interactions are random and anonymous.

No, but I was referring to neighbourhood relationships.

Much of the interactions in the city are random and annonymus, but you could say the same for the suburbs when at a mall, etc. - the difference is, the opportunity for those kinds of encounters is far greater in the city.

As far as residental neighbourhoods go, I'd say city neighbourhoods offer just as much of a "community" as suburban neighbourhoods, if not moreso.
 
Well, I mean I'm all for articles that challenge conventional wisdoms so point taken regarding social isolation in the suburbs. Growing up in the exurbs I totally agree with scarberian on his point, most sub-divisions tend to have a shelf-life for strong social interaction when the population is all new and homogeneous but these social interactions brake down significantly with the diaspora of the original occupants (which is almost inevitable because the housing simply isn't designed for people to live their entire lives in). A counter argument could easily be made challenging the social isolation in highly urbanized areas as well. I know it's just a personal opinion but the quote "There's just too many people, people are too close to each other and people are not friendly. I'm a chatterer and people don't chat in the city." just seems silly to me based on my own experience.
 
I've had the opposite experience. Living downtown I find that many people in my neighbourhood work, play, and live within a 5-block radius, so it's almost inevitable that the same girl who served me coffee in the morning will end up behind me at the grocery checkout in the evening. It's the little spontaneous encounters that really make it feel like a community to me.
 
I think the suburbs work better for young families. The kids, and therefore the parents, interact at school, in the local neighbourhood, at local community facilities (sports arena, swimming pool, etc) and at the local mall. This creates the atmosphere of community that people at this stage of life tend to seek. That said, aside from Downtown, much of Toronto has a very neighbourhood, suburban "feel" to it; even if the price tag is often prohibitive for the average young family.
 
Living downtown it is usually the norm to arrange play-dates for our kids with other kids. However, in the suburbs the kids just go outside and play with the neighbours kids till it gets dark or they get hungry.
 
I think the suburbs work better for young families. The kids, and therefore the parents, interact at school, in the local neighbourhood, at local community facilities (sports arena, swimming pool, etc) and at the local mall. This creates the atmosphere of community that people at this stage of life tend to seek. That said, aside from Downtown, much of Toronto has a very neighbourhood, suburban "feel" to it; even if the price tag is often prohibitive for the average young family.

I'd say the neighbourhood feel you mentioned at the end of your post is far more beneficial to young families than the simliar lifestyle in the suburbs; it's more condusive to interaction and community development.
 
I think the interactions and permanency are what creates communities rather than suburbs vs downtown, houses vs condos. If someone in the suburbs were to live in a house, have no kids, only plan on living in the neighbourhood for a few years, and hang around at home all day they would probably have less community ties than someone living in a downtown condo, with kids, who plans to stay in that location for 20 years, and who goes to neighbourhood cafes. The issue with downtown communities is that downtown condos aren't housing families on a more permanent basis.
 
Sample Size

I wonder if the sample he used was composed entirely of American metropolitan areas? It seems that many people are making the assumption that American data may translate directly to Canada.
 
Re: Sample Size

Agree Enviro. There are some suburban areas that have a very urban feel to them too, usually in the older core areas of GTA towns.
 
^ and ^^: I also agree...Toronto's suburbs are certainly far denser than the kind of American suburbs that were probably studied. Without knowing exactly where they got their data, to find an equivalent here, you might have to go to Uxbridge, or a golf course subdivision in Wasaga Beach, etc.

So far people have commented on the suburbs vs the city, but the article also says: "for every 10 per cent decrease in population density, the chances of people talking to their neighbours weekly increases by 10 per cent, and the likelihood they belong to hobby-based clubs jumps by 15 per cent." This applies to exurban areas, and plain old rural areas as well. Based on the small set of rural or almost rural inhabitants that I know, I'd say the article is right. The more isolated you physically are, perhaps the more likely you are to seek out - thus forming - a tangible "community" that is something more than just a large bunch of "social interactions," the kind so easy to have in urban areas.

Since the article specifically mentions population density, I wonder what level of community exists in Hogg's Hollow or the Bridle Path...the Hogg's Hollow crowd is not particularly friendly to outsiders.
 

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