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Star: Toronto on the verge of bankruptcy

Re: Toronto: BANKRUPT?

LI:

Toronto residential property tax is available here:

www.toronto.ca/taxes/tax_rates.htm

Relative to other municipalities in the region, the residential rate tend to be quite a bit lower, and with respect to commercial/industrial rates, vice versa.

Ontario (and Canadian) municipalities do not have access to income or general sales tax, or the power to impose them (with the except of some new but restrictive potential revenue sources in the City of Toronto in the form of sin surchages, road tolls and land transfer taxes, under the new City of Toronto Act). The jurisdictional environment Canadian cities operate in is very different from that of the US, in terms of intergovernmental relations and revenue sources.

As to the cause of this mess - well, one would imagine it is a mix of externally imposed forces such as changing demographics, senior governmental policies (e.g. download) , aging infrastructure as well as internal ones such as organizational inefficiencies, poor planning, etc.

AoD
 
Re: Toronto: BANKRUPT?

Actually I am tempted to see the city go bankrupt. In that event, the province will have to step in and deal with the mess, without the benefit of the municipality as a scapegoat.

I agree. Dalton McGuinty doesn't seem to be the kind of person to tackle a problem head on. If there is a controversial decision he can get away with not making he will not make it. To get Dalton to deal with the issue, bankruptcy might be required otherwise he will tip toe with minor improvements here and there. Forced to deal with the issue Dalton would probably make good decisions since he is someone who aims to try and please everybody. On the other hand, if a Mike Harris style provincial government won the next provincial election then Miller and the past two councils would really be kicking themselves for not making the hard decisions themselves as their place in history is sealed as the city council that let the wolf in.
 
Out with the City Councilors

These city councilors didn't even want to give up their free golfing for the year saving $15,000, not a heck of a lot in the grand scheme of things but it would at least show they are trying to make a difference by taking a personal cut.
 
It should be funny to see people bitching about these kind of things when its the same people electing the same people year after year.
 
These city councilors didn't even want to give up their free golfing for the year saving $15,000, not a heck of a lot in the grand scheme of things but it would at least show they are trying to make a difference by taking a personal cut.


so these were the genetic defectives george carlin was talking about!


http://www.evtv1.com/player.aspx?itemnum=110 (warning - bad words)
 
Maybe they took the word "free" too literally and didn't think that it was the tax payers covering the charge.

$15,000 for golf in a city budget is disgusting. This is recreation and they ought to pay for it.
 
The items Rob Ford is criticizing like golf at city golf courses and access to the zoo doesn't actually save money. City councillors are in effect employees of the zoo and city golf courses and should have some level of free access to those facilities for them to have any sort of clue what they are talking about when they decide a renovation or budget item makes sense or not. Also, not giving them access to the zoo or golf course doesn't actually save money because it costs nothing to have a councillor walk around the zoo or play a round of golf at a city owned golf course considerring that their numbers will not change the level of staffing or capital costs of those facilities. At most they would loose the amount the would have paid if they had gone had it not been free. Personally I think there is serious value in having city councillors going to the facilities they decide the fate of.
 
In all fairness, I have not read the article in the newspaper. From what was mentioned above it sounds more like "complimentary" golf course access rather than a paid-for membership. Yes, the two are quite different.
 
That is part of the problem. How many of the people complaining about how inept the city is at budgeting also don't understand what they are talking about. If we are to believe that Rob Ford is actually digging to find budget cuts and all he can find is free coffee and juice at meetings and passes to the zoo which cost nothing then he is, unbeknownst to himself, validating that there is no waste in the city. That is the exact opposite of what he thinks he is proving but if you read a little deeper Rob Ford hasn't found squat.
 
$15k can be simply passed off as a rounding off issue when dealing with a budget that numbers in the billions. The issue is with the publics perception of any perk, especially with a city faced with a chronic budget crises year after year.

At a company I was involved with experienced a few budget cycles of red ink, the first thing to go was the complimentary muffins and fruit trays. For a company with an operating budget in the millions, the cost to us was considered negligible, however it reinforced the need to tighten our belts and increase productivity across the entire company. From my experience it worked - I dislike Millers reluctance to even look at any cost-cutting measures as they rape whatevers left of the reserve fund.
 
I have a bit of an issue with city councillors needing to bring in their own coffee maker because Joe public is too stupid to realize that it is commonplace for office environments to have coffee machines, for workers of golf courses to get a free round of golf, etc. Airline employees get free flights, workers at food estabilishments get fed at work, etc. The city councillor position is probably one of the most perk-less jobs you can get considering the wage and responsibility over such a large corporation. The only reason that those low levels of wage and benefits can be justified is that they are better off after leaving and the entry criteria doesn't require advanced training or masters degrees. Too bad that there isn't a more strict entry requirement for putting your name on the city councillor ballot. Having people like Rob Ford there makes the whole operation a farce.
 
i'm with enviro.

it's not money spent, it's money that could have been made. it's not really a big deal. it is but a drop of piss in a swimming pool even if the taxpayers did pay for it. but to joe public, it 'ill be grovel grovel grovel at the town square, just like a southpark episode.

i don't mind the perks like coffee. anything that will keep them focused on the job is a good thing. heck, i don't mind if they give them "e" or caffene pills. the perks like golf will keep them somewhat happy and they wont feel like they are being taken advantage of. they can have fun in the grass, but when it comes time to work, they better serve and represent their public!
 
What do you cats make of this? Is James right about Miller's strategy? And if so, is this a wise play?

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"Miller fiddles, money burns"


April 23, 2007
Royson James

http://www.thestar.com/article/206059


Toronto residents are sure to face tax shock by the end of the decade – a drastic hike in user fees and taxes to catch up on decades of underfunding. The surprise is that most are sleepwalking toward the abyss.

The quiet descent into near-bankruptcy is a deliberate strategy by Mayor David Miller and the ruling New Democrats at city hall. The bankruptcy isn't deliberate, of course. But the strategy of underplaying its dangers – of governing as if there is a viable plan to right the ship – is a carefully studied one.

If it succeeds, it will go down as one of the boldest and shrewdest political moves in Canadian history. If it fails, well, we all pay.

It started when Miller ran for mayor in 2003. His fiscal plan was laughable. He planned to balance the budget by getting money from Queen's Park. We bought it, or ignored it because we liked his other attributes.

Miller won and governed as if his wish list of provincial bailouts would be filled.

Even though Premier Dalton McGuinty sent buckets of cash and loads of praise and heaps of sympathy Toronto's way, the wish list remains unfilled. Why? Because the list is so long and so unrealistic.

Take this year's budget, for example. Even before it started, Miller had a post-dated cheque for $165 million. He got it in 2006 with a note from the province that this is budgetary aid for 2007. Subsequent to that, the province amended the amount to more than $200 million.

Still, Toronto entered this budget cycle stating a claim to a further $71 million. And when that didn't materialize, the Miller party masterminded a legal court challenge that threatens to damage a fairly good relationship between the McGuinty Liberals and the Millerites.

What exactly is the beef and why the strategy?

The three main reasons cited for the city's fiscal mess are:

# The provincial government doesn't pay its bills. Signed agreements, legislated by the province, call for Toronto and the province to share costs of certain programs like emergency shelters. But the province starts out paying, then cuts back or caps its share, even as the costs rise. The net impact for 2007 is $71 million. And it is this issue the city hopes to win in court.

It would appear the city is on good legal and moral ground.

# Queen's Park downloaded service costs on the city.

This is not the 1998 Mike Harris download. That has been fixed. But Download 2 has seen municipalities forced to pick up some of the costs for Ontario Disability Benefits, an entirely provincial program.

There may be a moral argument, but Ontario has been doing this type of financing for a long time. This grievance has been stated for a long time.

This is a request, not a demand. Toronto and other cities have no legal ground on which to demand a fix.

# Big-city Toronto needs funding sources that grow with the economy, such as income or sales tax. But again, this is an ask, not a demand. By itself, the campaign can be considered reasonable as opposed to wishful thinking; something that can muster public support.

Miller, of course, knows this. Why has he chosen not to curtail budget spending and opt instead to advocate for assistance from the province and Ottawa? Why limit the solutions?

If Miller were to entertain the idea that help is not on the way, and soon, he would be expected to take corrective action. And that would surely lead to a combination of layoffs, service cuts and hikes to taxes and user fees.

So, instead, he waits and waits. And while he does, he empties the reserves to the point where senior bureaucrats are worried.

Since 2001, Toronto has taken $1.3 billion from reserve funds to balance the budget. Of that, Miller has drawn $1.1 billion.

Miller's strategy is campaign to get the province to solve the problem. Chip away at the city reserves while we wait. And delay the tough medicine until we are absolutely forced to take it.

The strategy has some attractiveness. If you believe, as the Millerites do, that property taxes buy good government, a great city, generate economic activity and create a city that is prosperous and liable for all, then the last thing you want to do is embark on an austerity program. Do the cuts only when you absolutely have to – not a day before.

But the strategy also serves to trap the mayor. If you say your city's fiscal future is bordering on bankruptcy, as staff have made clear, then voters will want you to implement solutions that are in your power to deliver. And if you downplay the danger, then citizens are not agitated enough to pressure the senior governments to come to Toronto's rescue. So, Miller tries to straddle the fence.

As such, we arrive at the 2007 budget to find reserve funds are depleted, the city debt has doubled to nearly $3 billion, and the city's annual inflationary costs amount to $250 million, an amount that would require double-digit tax hikes to tame.

Councillor Norm Kelly nailed the issue during the executive committee debate on the budget. Even if Queen's Park and city hall "straightened out" their differences over how much is owed the city, "there's still not enough money to run the city the way the people expect."

To accomplish that, Toronto is going to have to tax more.

Miller certainly knows that. His failure to outline the medicine and the cure is damning. One can understand the strategy, in political terms. But it is not transparent, not totally honest. And risky.

Taxpayers know where the buck stops. The sooner they get the entire story, the earlier they can prepare to weather the bad times.
 
Miller is stuck in a tough spot, and it is certainly not all his own doing. The provice is quietly ignoring the demands for cash, but not moving to either upload what once were provincial and not city responsibilities, nor is the province funding these services or programs to the degree that the city views as being adequate. The city wants to reduce business taxes so as to compete better with the suburbs in that category, but does not want to rush increasing residential rates either.

All maddeningly complicated when it does not have to be.

I think James is wrong on this count: there really is no money to burn any more.
 

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