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Star: Less crime could hurt Tories

AlvinofDiaspar said:
Strange how someone has to construct such complicated scenarios, devoid of actual evidence to support their viewpoint. And yes, I am sure such cyncism towards crime and crime reporting only exist in Toronto, when Downtown Eastside looms large.

AoD
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Well, you don't know me just yet, but you will.......... I am fondly liked on many other blogger sites. Just because you don't like my opinion does not make them any less valid.
Those who rely solely on these charts and statistics are damned to live by them...

We are the sum of our experience. Mine just happens to be a lot more diverse than most. Forgive me if that rubs up against your sensibilities. There is far too much posturing and political correctness in what passes for politics these days.

Challenge everything! But most of all, do not believe what the media says.
 
Your opinions are valid - your presentation of such as facts isn't. The rest of your post, of course, is laughable. And just so you know, your experiences, as diverse as it may be, does not equate to the experiences of others, and certainly cannot be constructed as a universal fact.

AoD
 
Those who rely solely on these charts and statistics are damned to live by them...
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What's wrong with living by facts? I keep hearing that Toronto is supposed to be dangerous, but personally my experiences are more in line with the stats. I have never been the victim of any sort of violent crime. Once when I was little my bicycle was stolen by some girl who was pretending to help me, but that's it. I certainly have never seen any drug dealer in my life here.
 
Even seeing a drug dealer by itself means absolutely nothing in the greater context of the national, or even city level - crime always exists, it is the type, distribution, frequency and the changes in these factors that really matters.

AoD
 
theowne said:
What's wrong with living by facts? I keep hearing that Toronto is supposed to be dangerous, but personally my experiences are more in line with the stats. I have never been the victim of any sort of violent crime. Once when I was little my bicycle was stolen by some girl who was pretending to help me, but that's it. I certainly have never seen any drug dealer in my life here.
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And where do you live, Kingsway?
 
MisterF said:
It's not the media, it's Statistics Canada. Probably the most impartial and trustworthy source of information we have.
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Also, considered a worldwide model in data collection. I have a friend that worked for NatStats in the U.K. and he told me they were always holding up StatsCan as the world's best and most accurate.

For the record, I live at Richmond/Sherbourne and while crime is evident, I've yet to be a victim of it and think -- in general -- that my area and the city feels safer than it did 10 years ago.
 
Dichotomy said:
Maybe the cities in the west are actually shocked by violent crime and report it...wheras, we Torontonians are more immune to it and live with it, because after all - it's the 'cost of living in the big city,' as my insurance agent has told me numerous times.
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To be a violent crime, it has to be reported by the hospital or doctor as such. Unless, Alfred is able to mend you without reporting on the injures, of course.
 
I have lived in Toronto for over 20 years and have never been the victim of any sort of crime, but I don't think we should lightly assume that those who fear crime are deluded or easily manipulated. I don't doubt Statscan that crime rates are declining, but my sense is that random gun violence -- the kind that killed Jane Creba or that guy passing the Brass Rail last winter -- is on the rise. Does Statscan keep numbers on that?

While it's a small part of the overall crime rate, it's this kind of violence that gets the headlines and outrages people. My feeling is that strong reactions to these incidents are entirely justified and necessary -- we should be outraged and be motivated to push our leaders to do something about it.

The next time some poor bastard is gunned down on the street, are we going to prissily wag our fingers and say, "well Statscan says we're safer than we've been in 35 years... "
 
Blovertis said:
I have lived in Toronto for over 20 years and have never been the victim of any sort of crime, but I don't think we should lightly assume that those who fear crime are deluded or easily manipulated. I don't doubt Statscan that crime rates are declining, but my sense is that random gun violence -- the kind that killed Jane Creba or that guy passing the Brass Rail last winter -- is on the rise. Does Statscan keep numbers on that?

While it's a small part of the overall crime rate, it's this kind of violence that gets the headlines and outrages people. My feeling is that strong reactions to these incidents are entirely justified and necessary -- we should be outraged and be motivated to push our leaders to do something about it.

The next time some poor bastard is gunned down on the street, are we going to prissily wag our fingers and say, "well Statscan says we're safer than we've been in 35 years... "
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I want to see the stats as well. Perhaps it's one incident a year. What can you do? Every year, a small group of people are going to be random victims of drunk driving, cars crashing into buildings, highway accidents, or lightning strikes. If you reduce gun crime in general, the risk of random killings declines as well.
 
Blovertis said:
While it's a small part of the overall crime rate, it's this kind of violence that gets the headlines and outrages people. My feeling is that strong reactions to these incidents are entirely justified and necessary -- we should be outraged and be motivated to push our leaders to do something about it.
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They are doing something about it:

http://www.urbantoronto.ca/showthread.php?t=9538
 
Hydrogen said:
Fear can do incredible things. Drum it into the heads of people long enough and they'll not only believe that crime is going upwards, but they'll help reinforce the idea by repeating it to others, and doubting any evidence otherwise.
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Better than that, people with criminal minds will believe that everybody is doing it -- and getting away with it (since they don't know anybody who was caught) and crime rates will actually rise.

Same happens with werewolves. If you can get a small town to believe strongly enough in them, eventually a hand-full will believe they are the werewolves and the towns people will be able to have their wolf hunt.
 
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What will really hurt the Tories is a credible Liberal contender. Harper wouldn't stand a chance against a Liberal leader like Trudeau, and even Chrétien would defeat him soundly. Even loser'ish Paul Martin beat Harper in the 2004 election before floundering soon after.

Can you imagine stiff, unemotional and programmed Harper in a debate with Trudeau. Harper would be eaten alive, with Trudeau mocking and destroying him on live TV. Instead we've got a seemingly weak kneed Dion, stammering in English, apparently unable to control his party nor to convey any policies above the environment and tax hikes. It is a tribute to the personal reputations of the Liberal MPs today that they've kept their own seats in spite of Dion.

Harper is not invincible. One day the Libs will bring on someone with the right stuff to do him in.
 
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