nfitz
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Getting to work has zero to do with a 15-minute village.
And little to do with transit. I'm not sure why we are discussing it here.
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Sheppard Line 4 Subway Extension (Proposed)
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And little to do with transit. I'm not sure why we are discussing it here.
Rainforest
Senior Member
From the original post, "residents can access most of their daily needs, such as work, shopping, education, and healthcare, within a 15-minute walk or bike ride from their homes"
Not a good enough reason to discuss?
urbanclient
Active Member
I don't discount the need for Amazon drivers to drive a van, or Instacart shoppers to drive a vehicle, but I am not sure how you're concluding that it's highly possible for vehicle-kilometres to be higher for delivery than visiting retail in-person. Talking about both grocery delivery and packages from courier services in relatively urban areas like the GTHA.
(Setting aside the faults of Amazon-related consumerism, and the drawbacks of grocery delivery)
Vast, vast majority of cases, it's more environmentally friendly to get groceries delivered to your house. Your 1.5+ tonne car to bring home one household's worth of groceries, is much less efficient than a 4 tonne van delivering many, even dozens of grocery orders. Not just more environmentally friendly, but less expensive to the end user.
No delivery driver is going to a big box store to do bespoke orders for one customer. No Amazon driver is doing less than 100 stops per day.
This is exactly what they do, and were doing even prior to e-commerce taking off. Even if they don't bank orders for your definition of area....Hypothetically, a single van delivering all the Home Depot orders for a quarter of the city is still more efficient than each customer driving out to Home Depot, then doubling back to drive back home.
A delivery driver only has to leave and return to its origin (fulfilment centre) once a day. That is almost always less energy than each and every customer driving to the store and back.
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nfitz
Superstar
It's already been noted by multiple people that this was incorrect.
I'm not sure how walking or biking is related to Line 4.
Rainforest
Senior Member
True, this is not related to Line 4 or any other transit line.
Rainforest
Senior Member
It is great that they pool the orders. However, let's not forget that a sizeable portion of customers shopping for groceries or for light retail, do not drive there at all. They arrive by public transit, or walk in if they live close enough. In contrast, a home delivery is nearly always done by a car of some kind.
Thus, we have a nontrivial balance here. On one hand, customers that shop without taking a dedicated car trip at all. On the other hand, pooled home delivery that achieves efficiency by pooling. The overall balance will depend on several ratios: the proportion of shoppers who don't drive, the efficiency of delivery pooling, the percentage of the delivery vehicle's max load that is actually used, etc.
Let's return to Line 4; further OT posts will be deleted
cryogen
New Member
There's soil testing right now at the Petro-Canada gas station on the southwest corner of Bathurst-Sheppard (4384 Bathurst St.). Not sure if related to the potential subway extension or to some unknown private development.
nfitz
Superstar
It could just be routine; I've seen a lot of this when there's been no proposed change of use. It might even be required these days if they are changing out the tanks.
Looking at the MECP well records, they did a sampling program back in 2008. https://files.ontario.ca/moe_mapping/downloads/2Water/Wells_pdfs/711/7118422.pdf
stfeinberg
New Member
i'm somewhat concerned that they won't tightly integrate the GO station with the subway station. if Stouffville line goes to every 15m, then there absolutely needs to be a subway connection very tightly integrated into the GO station itself. forcing people to walk all the way to Kennedy would be disastrous. does metrolinx have any available space within the current Agincourt Station for this?
M II A II R II K
Senior Member
It should be at Agincourt and have Kennedy busses divert there if need be.
duffo
Active Member
Agreed. My thought is that it's only 450m between Kennedy Rd and the Agincourt GO platforms. A typical TTC subway platform is 150m. If it was located in the exact middle, you're talking about 150m walking distance from each end of the platform to Kennedy Rd and to Agincourt GO platforms. That is a reasonable walking distance within a station concourse/pedestrian tunnel.
Northern Light
Superstar
They're re-doing the gas station. See permit at the end of the thread below:
4362 Bathurst | 6.4m | 1s | Sud Group | Scoler, Lee & Associates Architects
http://app.toronto.ca/DevelopmentApplications/associatedApplicationsList.do?action=init&folderRsn=2623072 Seven storey mixed use building containing ground floor retail, three floors of office/commercial, 23 dwelling units and two levels of underground parking. The proposed density of the...
81-717
Active Member
So it'd basically be Spadina 2.0.
nfitz
Superstar
That's assuming the staircase/escalators come out above the top of the station. If you angle in from the side, then this can be reduced - significantly depending on how deep the station is.
450 metres is not that much farther than the 330 metres from Leslie to the Richmond Hill go tracks - if they ever move that GO station they've been talking about for the last 30 years.