innsertnamehere
Superstar
A reminder that Ford is apparently nominally planning a transit line along the 401 as a part of the 401 highway tunnel. What that looks like, and the chances of it happening..
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Sheppard Line 4 Subway Extension (Proposed)
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mikey7767
New Member
Chances are not very high. Still very possible, but unlikely. It would cost more than a hundred billion.
junctionist
Senior Member
I hate freeway-based rapid transit lines. Freeways are usually the least pedestrian friendly areas with a surrounding built form that’s almost never transit friendly. Ridership will never be that high, and the lines won’t urbanize the surrounding areas.
Witness the ridership, density, and development that has occurred around the 1978 Spadina line extension in the middle of the Allen versus the phenomenal evolution of the area around the Yonge Street subway. The difference is night and day from a city-building perspective.
Perhaps the 401 rapid transit line could still be justified as a fast regional trunk line, but only with seamless connections to intersecting bus routes (e.g. without leaving the station) and fare integration. You don’t need to build a tunnel, though; the land is already there. It’s just dedicated to cars. The transit infrastructure is just meant to sanitize the ridiculousness of the tunnel from a cost-benefit perspective.
Witness the ridership, density, and development that has occurred around the 1978 Spadina line extension in the middle of the Allen versus the phenomenal evolution of the area around the Yonge Street subway. The difference is night and day from a city-building perspective.
Perhaps the 401 rapid transit line could still be justified as a fast regional trunk line, but only with seamless connections to intersecting bus routes (e.g. without leaving the station) and fare integration. You don’t need to build a tunnel, though; the land is already there. It’s just dedicated to cars. The transit infrastructure is just meant to sanitize the ridiculousness of the tunnel from a cost-benefit perspective.
Obsidian
Active Member
But this is due to zoning not the transit. the same can be said for the bloor line. if the city allows density anywhere int he city it will be filled by developers.
If the city wants to densify allow the Allen it will happen if they change the zoning for the area.
T-Bor
Active Member
The Allen is 6 lanes - the 401 is 16. Plus longer on/off ramps, etc.