Dichotomy
Banned
This debate is running around in circles again. I could care less about PEAK highway capacity. The Gardiner/DVP is well beyond any hope for PEAK capacity. I am talking about gridlock on a Thursday night or a Sunday. Those are not commuters sitting in traffic. Those are every day, hard working people just trying to come downtown to take their kids to the AGO or the island. Scratch that: gridlock exists in both directions, even those of us who live downtown can't visit our familes on Xmas day without getting bogged down on gridlocked highways.
No city on Earth can hope to build enough capacity for daily commuters. That is an accepted fact. For those people, we need to look at GO Transit, subways, etc.
The Gardiner (with Lakeshore under it)/DVP (and possibly University Ave) are the only routes out of the city. Period. We are digging up Bloor, choking all the other routes with streetcars and painting bicycle lanes (Eastern) on any other route that MIGHT actually move.
That is the point. Since it is too late for our existing arterial roads, we need to improve the DVP/Gardiner combo, not tear them down or truncate them.
Or else, bulldoze Kingston Rd., Bloor/Danforth, Mt. Pleasant, Yonge, O'Connor and Queen St. to make way for 6 lanes - then we can rid ourselves of the horrid Gardiner. (BTW, I am kidding!)
No city on Earth can hope to build enough capacity for daily commuters. That is an accepted fact. For those people, we need to look at GO Transit, subways, etc.
The Gardiner (with Lakeshore under it)/DVP (and possibly University Ave) are the only routes out of the city. Period. We are digging up Bloor, choking all the other routes with streetcars and painting bicycle lanes (Eastern) on any other route that MIGHT actually move.
That is the point. Since it is too late for our existing arterial roads, we need to improve the DVP/Gardiner combo, not tear them down or truncate them.
Or else, bulldoze Kingston Rd., Bloor/Danforth, Mt. Pleasant, Yonge, O'Connor and Queen St. to make way for 6 lanes - then we can rid ourselves of the horrid Gardiner. (BTW, I am kidding!)