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Richard Williamson, the re-communicated holocaust denying bishop

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he needs evidence to believe something that happened around 60 years ago. yes, this is coming from a guy that doesn't need any evidence to believe something that happened around 2000 years ago. :confused:


Holocaust denying bishop to examine 'historical evidence': report


BERLIN (AFP) – A bishop under fire for denying the Holocaust wants to examine the historical evidence before any possible renunciation of his belief that not a single Jew died in Nazi gas chambers, a report said.

"If I find proof I would rectify (earlier statements)... But all that will take time," Bishop Richard Williamson was quoted as saying by the German weekly magazine Der Spiegel.

The British-born bishop denied the existence of the gas chambers in an interview with Swedish television two days the pope lifted his ex-communication last month.

"I believe there were no gas chambers... I think that 200,000 to 300,000 Jews perished in Nazi concentration camps but none of them by gas chambers," Williamson said.

"There was not one Jew killed by the gas chambers. It was all lies, lies, lies!"

Meanwhile, the bishop of Innsbruck in western Austria, Manfred Scheuer, said that the Vatican should learn lessons from the episode, which provoked a storm of criticism.

"The Pope's explanations (this week) were more than necessary and I welcome them. But we must now analyse the mistakes that have been made," Austria's Tiroler Zeitung daily on Saturday quoted him as saying.

"On questions as important as the lifting of an excommunication, the episcopal conferences should be consulted," he said, referring to official assemblies of bishops in different regions.

On Wednesday the Vatican said the 67-year-old bishop should "unequivocally" distance himself from his statements.

It also said that Williamson's remarks denying that the Nazis used gas chambers to eliminate millions of European Jews in World War II were not known to Pope Benedict XIV when he decided to lift the excommunication of four renegade bishops, including Williamson, last month.

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more:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Williamson_(bishop)#Views

this guy is nuts.

JPII kicks him out, eggs benedict lets him back in. for a pope that said he was forced against his will to be a member of the hitler youth, you'd think he wouldn't want anything to do with this guy.
 
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he needs evidence to believe something that happened around 60 years ago. yes, this is coming from a guy that doesn't need any evidence to believe something that happened around 2000 years ago.

I'd say you've hit the nail on the head dead on.


Then again, the guy's willing to believe anything that pops into his head:

"I believe there were no gas chambers... I think that 200,000 to 300,000 Jews perished in Nazi concentration camps but none of them by gas chambers," Williamson said.
 
I'd say you've hit the nail on the head dead on.

i think williamson got hit on the head and now his brain is as dead as a nail.
 
Here's some perspective on the issue.

PUBLICATION: National Post
DATE: 2009.02.10
EDITION: National
SECTION: Issues & Ideas
PAGE: A17
BYLINE: Michael Coren
SOURCE: National Post
WORD COUNT: 995

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Still kicking the Pope

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The phenomenon in Northern Ireland, Glasgow and even parts of North America known as the "Kick the Pope" band is not what once it was. In years past, these groups of anti-Catholic bigots would play their fifes, bang their drums and recite ugly sectarian songs until they could sing no more. Is the decline a sign that anti-Catholicism is diminishing? Not at all. It's just that now it wears a liberal cap rather than an orange sash.

In late-January, Pope Benedict made the courageous decision to lift the excommunication of four bishops who were illicitly consecrated in 1988 by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, founder of the traditionalist Society of St. Pius X. One of these men, however, was a conspiracy theorist named Richard Williamson who questioned the truth about 9/11, denied the Holocaust and thought that The Sound of Music was a porn movie. In other words, he's a repugnant lunatic. But it takes more than repugnance and lunacy to earn excommunication or to have it lifted. It was not his views but the fact that he was illegally named a bishop that led to his being excommunicated, and it is not his views that have led to the removal of the same. An excommunicated person can no longer receive the sacraments. No more and no less. He cannot, for example, receive communion, be married by the Church or go to confession and be absolved of sin.

In fact, Williamson is largely irrelevant in all of this. There are up to a million supporters of the Society of St. Pius X, and Pope Benedict wants to bring them back into the mainstream of the Roman Catholic Church. It's part of a grander campaign to deal with a legion of abuses that have crept into the Church since the mid-1960s when extremists tried to exploit the reforms of The Second Vatican Council. Which is why so many of those zealots are now using the Williamson affair to attack the papacy and are spreading so many distortions and half-truths about a man who, as the guiding theologian behind Pope John Paul II, did so much to revolutionize the relationship between the Catholic Church and the Jewish people.

To fail to understand these points is to misunderstand what we have seen in the past

two weeks. Most of the attacks from inside the Church and from alleged Catholics have had nothing to do with the understandable sensitivities of the Jewish community but with a deeper attack on a Pope who is despised by those who desire a weak and modernist Church -- a Church that has about as much to do with genuine Catholicism as Richard Williamson has to do with official Church teaching on the Holocaust. While Jewish groups are suspicious, they need to be aware that some of the harshest condemnations of what Pope Benedict has done are coming from a left that is usually first in criticizing Israel. Indeed the latest trend from such people is to tie in the removal of the excommunication with Benedict's speech in Regensburg

in 2006 in which he briefly and in passing repeated a medieval and entirely sensible question about the nature of Islam. As such, he was one of the few world leaders willing to challenge an ideology that is far more dangerous to Jews and pluralism than is some isolated nutcase who denies the Holocaust.

The reporting of this issue has been positively scandalous. Extended articles have been written without one supporter of the Pope being quoted but several opponents of the man given numerous paragraphs. This is partly be-cause many journalists simply do not understand Church law and politics, but there is often sheer malice involved. That the Pope was unaware of Williamson's views on the Holocaust, for example, has been interpreted to prove that he is out of touch. What actually happened was that the surprisingly small papal department dealing with this issue concentrated on the leader of the Society of St. Pius X and not Williamson. It's worth noting that even with an enormous staff, President Obama suffered three major vetting scandals in as many weeks.

While not its specific purpose, the papal initiative has led to Williamson being reprimanded by the Society of St. Pius X and told never again to write or speak about politics and history. The Vatican made it clear in an official statement that Williamson must "distance himself in an absolutely unequivocal and public manner from his positions regarding the Shoah," and Pope Benedict has yet again declared that the Holocaust was, without question, a unique and historic evil -- something it is his responsibility as Pope to do.

But he is, yes, the Pope. His role as the direct descendant of St. Peter is not to manage an international public relations corporation but to lead the Church of Jesus Christ. There are some Catholics who seem more concerned with mass popularity than with the integrity and mission of the Church. Pope Benedict upsets people when he questions the Iraq war, calls for the forgiving of Third World debt, opposes the death penalty and lambastes Western materialism. These are as papal as declaring that truth is at its most complete within Catholicism and stressing the need for unity in the Church. How tragic if we become distracted by one troubled man who, more than most, is in need of the sacraments. Particularly that of confession. - Michael Coren is host of The Michael Coren Show on CTS TV. His Web site is www.michaelcoren.com.
 
Congratulations to Mr. Coren for directly linking Richard Williamson to the pope.


In other words, he's a repugnant lunatic. But it takes more than repugnance and lunacy to earn excommunication or to have it lifted. It was not his views but the fact that he was illegally named a bishop that led to his being excommunicated...


Yes, it takes more than repugnance; it takes being appointed to a figurehead position.

Oh, the horrors of that.
 
PUBLICATION: National Post
DATE: 2009.02.10
EDITION: National
SECTION: Issues & Ideas
PAGE: A17
BYLINE: Michael Coren
SOURCE: National Post
WORD COUNT: 995

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Still kicking the Pope

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The phenomenon in Northern Ireland, Glasgow and even parts of North America known as the "Kick the Pope" band is not what once it was. In years past, these groups of anti-Catholic bigots would play their fifes, bang their drums and recite ugly sectarian songs until they could sing no more. Is the decline a sign that anti-Catholicism is diminishing? Not at all. It's just that now it wears a liberal cap rather than an orange sash.



In fact, Williamson is largely irrelevant in all of this. There are up to a million supporters of the Society of St. Pius X, and Pope Benedict wants to bring them back into the mainstream of the Roman Catholic Church. It's part of a grander campaign to deal with a legion of abuses that have crept into the Church since the mid-1960s when extremists tried to exploit the reforms of The Second Vatican Council. Which is why so many of those zealots are now using the Williamson affair to attack the papacy and are spreading so many distortions and half-truths about a man who, as the guiding theologian behind Pope John Paul II, did so much to revolutionize the relationship between the Catholic Church and the Jewish people.

To fail to understand these points is to misunderstand what we have seen in the past

two weeks. Most of the attacks from inside the Church and from alleged Catholics have had nothing to do with the understandable sensitivities of the Jewish community but with a deeper attack on a Pope who is despised by those who desire a weak and modernist Church -- a Church that has about as much to do with genuine Catholicism as Richard Williamson has to do with official Church teaching on the Holocaust. While Jewish groups are suspicious, they need to be aware that some of the harshest condemnations of what Pope Benedict has done are coming from a left that is usually first in criticizing Israel. Indeed the latest trend from such people is to tie in the removal of the excommunication with Benedict's speech in Regensburg
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wow! this guy is a catholic apologist if i've ever seen one and not the nice kind either.


checkout this guy....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Coren


kEiThZ, do you agree with mr coren's sentiments?
 
coren is basically stating that those that criticize the church and the pope don't really care about the jews. one of the reasons i disassociated myself with the catholic church is because of how it has treated the jews and other groups of people. coren believes that people criticize the church just for the sake of not liking the church. he doesn't understand that alot of people don't like the church out of sympathy for other groups of people. my strong anti-clerical views were born out of the fact that i didn't like what the catholic church did to other people when the catholic church had pretty much absolute authority to do whatever it wanted.

what coren is saying is kinda like this:

people who criticize al-qaeda don't care about the 9/11 victims. they are just bigots that use 9/11 as an excuse to criticize al-qaeda because they don't like it.

absurd isn't it? isn't one of the main reasons why the dislike of al-qaeda was caused was because people cared about the victims of al-qaeda?

now if anyone wants to criticize me for comparing the catholic church to al-qaeda, remember that al-qaeda has killed and tortured less people than the catholic church. historically, the catholic church engaged in acts of terror, just like al-qaeda.
 
I don't understand why the veil of secrecy around this issue... let people question it, if it happened the way history says it did then there's nothing to hide. Why is it illegal to ask questions pertaining to the holocaust, even if they are moronic ones?

now if anyone wants to criticize me for comparing the catholic church to al-qaeda, remember that al-qaeda has killed and tortured less people than the catholic church. historically, the catholic church engaged in acts of terror, just like al-qaeda.

Could you cite some recent examples of this?
 
Could you cite some recent examples of this?

how can i cite some recent examples if i specifically stated that the acts of torture, terror & murder were historical?
 
I don't understand why the veil of secrecy around this issue... let people question it, if it happened the way history says it did then there's nothing to hide. Why is it illegal to ask questions pertaining to the holocaust, even if they are moronic ones?

The point is that there is no "veil of secrecy" concerning the Holocaust. As an historical event, it is very well documented. The Nazis left behind millions of pages of records as their effort was aimed at complete extermination. There were documented plans set in place to expedite the process of extermination. There were civil records of populations and their religious affiliations. There was also a tremendous amount of physical evidence of such an extermination process. The entire process was carried out on an industrial scale in order to reduce the costs of such an ideological-driven extermination. There were tens of thousands of witnesses to the events, and millions of cases of missing persons.

Recall that many of the victims were first used as slave labourers, and were essentially worked to death. In order to remain effective in meeting manufacturing goals for munitions and war production, record-keeping was essential.

As to the numbers killed, please recall that the very recent Rawandan genocide once again illustrated that very large numbers of people could be murdered with relatively crude weapons very quickly. If there is an aim to carry out mass murder on an unarmed population, and a belief that such a murder will result in certain political or ideological ends, then such a thing can take place.

The question to ask is why - in the light of so much evidence - do people still doubt that the holocaust took place?
 
The question to ask is why - in the light of so much evidence - do people still doubt that the holocaust took place?

wasn't one of the reasons why holocaust denial laws were made was because of post WWII nazis (neo nazis) and nazi sympathizers were using the denial to further their nazi agendas?

trying to make the population believe that the holocaust was some sort of jewish conspiracy is just as bad as the conspiracy theories that helped cause the holocaust in the first place.
 
There is no room for Jesus with Michael Coren always throwing himself up on the cross.
 
^I don't know why anyone agrees to show up on his show. It's not like their opinion matters to him.
 
The question to ask is why - in the light of so much evidence - do people still doubt that the holocaust took place?

The same reason people doubt the twin towers came down as a result of an airplane crash, only difference is 911 conspiracies are not illegal.

I think it's stupid to doubt the holocaust, but I believe in freedom of speech.

fieras, here's some quick links i found for you....

My point is, the Catholic church does way more good than bad... can you say the same for al queda?
 
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