gabe
Senior Member
I couldn't even imagine eating with someone who thought it was appropriate to not tip. How embarrassing it must be for your friends (if you have any) Stop being so cheap and selfish you tightwad.
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Restaurant Tipping Etiquette
- Thread starter James
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I couldn't even imagine eating with someone who thought it was appropriate to not tip. How embarrassing it must be for your friends (if you have any) Stop being so cheap and selfish you tightwad.
bleu
Banned
You can afford a $88 meal but "can only tip $6"? that's doesn't make sense. You don't have to be rich to tip properly. If you tipped her $10, I don't think the extra $4 will make your life so much harder for the rest of the month.
it is not the waiter insulted you, it is you who insulted her. I am not saying not paying fat tip is a sin, but if you think her service is decent, your tip should reflect that (10% at minimum?).
bleu
Banned
I have a different view on cab drivers versus waiters.
I generally pay 15% tip if I think the service is reasonably good to waiters, but no way I will pay that much to cab drivers.
The reason is simple. I pay for the food in restaurant bills and tips in compensating the waiters for their service. When it comes to cabs, I pay for the ride, that's all. The driver doesn't give me extra service beyond taking me to the destination, which is the fare, so what is the tip for? I will never pay $14 tip on a $36 cab ride. You may be generous but I think it is excessive. We should never recommend it to anyone. If the driver had helpped me with the luggage etc, maybe $4. If nothing at all, I see no point in tipping the cab driver as I don't find the reason too. Cab drivers are unionized, well paid and have very good job security. Can't say the same to waiters.
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khris
Senior Member
All waiters do is bring your food and bill. That's part of the job description. A taxi driver does their job. Driving you from point A to B, so why not give them a tip as well?
Cab drivers are not well paid by the way. Most of the money they make goes to the cab company.
James
Senior Member
I think the whole concept of tipping is antiquated but we agree to it because society and cultural expectations dictate it. It is an unwritten rule. I tip (and I budget for it) but only because it is expected by the tippee. If some of you think tipping a server is ludicrous, what about tipping a bartender who opens a bottle of beer for you?
DtTO
Active Member
Exactly. I always tip 15% but only because it's the norm, and I would come off as stingy if I didn't. It's an absolutely ridiculous practice though. To all the self righteous posters complaining about others who choose not to tip, I ask you this: did you ever tip your professors? Yeah, sorry, but I'm not buying the whole concept of tips. Education is much more important than having someone carry my food for me, and yet educators are not tipped. I could provide more examples as well (ex. do people ever tip their surgeons? etc).
Educators aren't being paid minimum wage, let alone a lower minimum wage, for goodness sake.
AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
Gabe:
Not tipping and intentionally contaminating a customer's food on that basis are two very different levels of wrong - frankly I question the suitability of someone engaging in that kind of retalitatory activity to work in the food industry.
AoD
Not tipping and intentionally contaminating a customer's food on that basis are two very different levels of wrong - frankly I question the suitability of someone engaging in that kind of retalitatory activity to work in the food industry.
AoD
bleu
Banned
Waiters show your table, take orders, note your specific needs if any, bring the food, give the bill and clean tables. What I pay to the restaurant is mostly for the food and the setting, and since waiters are often paid minimum wage, the tip is for the service she/he provides, which is in addition to the food (the bill), so I am more willing to be generous.
A driver does the job, but I already compensated him in the taxi fare. What are the tips for? could you explain? A tip has to be for something extra that I didn't pay for in the fare, right? To me, tips to cab drivers make absolutely no sense unless he offered extra service - help with heavy luggage for example. Otherwise, no tip, they get the fare, that's all.
Actually I don't like tipping waiters either but it is a social custom. For example, why don't we tip salespersons in clothing stores? They provide advice, answer questions, give you the right size (often multiple times), and sometimes wait at the fitting room in case you need anything. AND their pay is bad. Why don't you tip them?
urbandreamer
recession proof
Simple solution: don't eat out. 90% of restaurant food is bad for you anyhow--way too salty, fatty, processed or sweet, cheap cuts of meat etc.
gabe
Senior Member
If I told you what went on in some of Toronto's top fine dining kitchens. You would probably never eat out ever again. The culinary world is filled with corrupt egocentric restaurateurs, with substance and alcohol abusers in the kitchen. Some of the highest skilled chef's I've worked for, act like drugged up playground bullies. Cooks even waitstaff are bullied, harassed and threatened on a daily basis by the owners and chefs. I have worked with some chefs that make Gordan Ramsey look like Mother Teresa!
Chef Anthony Bourdain worte a personal memoir and insider's view into the dark dirty world of the restaurant industry
If you don't tip or you send your meal back while insulting the chef or waiter. Chances are your second meal may taste a little "off"
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AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
gabe:
Actually I am not surprised at all (stories of an abusive industry is everywhere), and I personally hold a rather dim view of celebrity chefs and "fine dining" anyways. In this and the plight of waiters (be it from their bosses or customers), I sympathize - that said, it cannot be in anyway considered a justification for said acts of retribution, given the potential health safety issues and the ethics of anyone engaging in such acts is troubling, to say the least.
AoD
Actually I am not surprised at all (stories of an abusive industry is everywhere), and I personally hold a rather dim view of celebrity chefs and "fine dining" anyways. In this and the plight of waiters (be it from their bosses or customers), I sympathize - that said, it cannot be in anyway considered a justification for said acts of retribution, given the potential health safety issues and the ethics of anyone engaging in such acts is troubling, to say the least.
AoD
urbandreamer
recession proof
I recall an amusing tale of a friend who worked in a joint catering to the wealthy & demanding. Everytime the food was sent back it was given some "secret sauce" or "house spice" 
I've worked in food manufacturing before. I honestly rarely eat out or buy "brand name" food after this experience.
I've worked in food manufacturing before. I honestly rarely eat out or buy "brand name" food after this experience.
Roy G Biv
Senior Member
Option A
- Tip because you begrudingly accept the rules of society and you aren't interested in ingesting secret sauce.
Option B
- Apply a naive and rigidly principled world-view and don't tip, all the while acting as a toilet for servers everywhere.
Hmmm...
- Tip because you begrudingly accept the rules of society and you aren't interested in ingesting secret sauce.
Option B
- Apply a naive and rigidly principled world-view and don't tip, all the while acting as a toilet for servers everywhere.
Hmmm...
gabe
Senior Member
I agree with you AlvinofDiaspar. It's not a justification and it is definitely a health and safety issue! But what are we going to do about it?
I would like to see tipping abolished for the reasons Roy G stated, and it would stop wait staff from being forced to share tips with management. Last year the Ontario NDP 's private member's bill would prohibit restaurant owners from taking a percentage of gratuities.
Let's pay waitstaff more like the Europeans and Australians do. Ask anyone who has worked in the restaurant business overseas, they'll tell you they made the same amount and in some cases even more money without tips, than with tips here. Food prices over there aren't at all significantly higher than Toronto.
Or force restaurants to add a mandatory 15% fee on the bill. We already have "resort fees" on hotel bills, why not include restaurants? Now the servers would have a stable income, and they wouldn't have to worry about cheapskates ripping them off. It would also cut down on workers getting revenge on thrifty customers.
One of the few good things i will say about casino restaurants is the staff is better paid. Casinos are either unionized or they pay well enough and offer good benefits to keep unions away. Better paying hospitality jobs are needed in this city. Too many skilled hospitality jobs are turning into Mcjobs.
Some here don't realize the amount of work that severs do behind the scenes. it's not just delivering food to your table or handing you a beer. They work even when there is no customers while making below minimum wage!!
I would like to see tipping abolished for the reasons Roy G stated, and it would stop wait staff from being forced to share tips with management. Last year the Ontario NDP 's private member's bill would prohibit restaurant owners from taking a percentage of gratuities.
Let's pay waitstaff more like the Europeans and Australians do. Ask anyone who has worked in the restaurant business overseas, they'll tell you they made the same amount and in some cases even more money without tips, than with tips here. Food prices over there aren't at all significantly higher than Toronto.
Or force restaurants to add a mandatory 15% fee on the bill. We already have "resort fees" on hotel bills, why not include restaurants? Now the servers would have a stable income, and they wouldn't have to worry about cheapskates ripping them off. It would also cut down on workers getting revenge on thrifty customers.
One of the few good things i will say about casino restaurants is the staff is better paid. Casinos are either unionized or they pay well enough and offer good benefits to keep unions away. Better paying hospitality jobs are needed in this city. Too many skilled hospitality jobs are turning into Mcjobs.
Some here don't realize the amount of work that severs do behind the scenes. it's not just delivering food to your table or handing you a beer. They work even when there is no customers while making below minimum wage!!
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