UtakataNoAnnex
Superstar
...no, I stand with those who want to put Trump, his horde and enablers in their place. Their cry for justice is my cry for justice. So ignoring and isolating myself from them is not an option for me. Sorry.
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President Donald Trump's United States of America
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Cobra
Senior Member
We need to stop being nice about Americans and feel sorry for having Trump. A LOT of them are showing their true face now that Trump is there...he's the enabler allowing them to show what was always there.
Couldn't agree more with this
Couldn't agree more with this
EBT
Active Member
Canada has no advanced air defense systems on Canadian soil. IIRC Canada did place an order worth 100's of millions to buy a Patriot defense battery for Ukraine. Also, from best I can tell Canada placed an order for some Swedish MANPAD anticraft systems a few years ago. The order was about $250 million so I don't think that would buy very many MANPADS. We need thousands of them on Canadian soil, and I would bet most are in Europe "to protect NATOs eastern flank".
Canada is completely defenseless from an aerial assault or ground invasion from the United States. The meagre number of anti-tank missiles that Canadian Forces have are in Europe "to protect NATOs eastern flank".
For months now I have been saying on this forum that Canada needs to prioritize defense of our homeland and that NATO will not protect us from an American invasion and I have received nothing but ridicule. With Trump now threatening a military take-over of Greenland my concerns don't look ridiculous anymore. That an American president would threaten a military takeover of the sovereign territory of a fellow NATO country proves that the NATO alliance is meaningless and dead.
I don't know about anyone else on this forum, but it fills me with dread when I contemplate what Trump has in store for us. Yesterday Trump tore up 66 international treaties signed by the US over the past decades. How long before Trump declares that the United States does not accept the territorial boundaries of Canada. What are we going to do about it?
Carney is travelling to China to discuss trade next week. Will Trump allow Canada to do trade with China? He has ordered Venezuela to only trade with the United States. Forget about trade talks resuming with the US. Trump will be giving orders to Carney.
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Lennox970
Active Member
So, want isolation from the United States? Beware what you wish for.
I have very vivid memories of that crazy cultural contagion that swept across the border after George Floyd was murdered in 2020. Many Canadians eagerly lapped up the BLM summer of madness and then dialled the craziness up to the max. It appeared American far left progressive culture had no more eager adherents than those who cultural cringe north of the border. Without Confederacy or much slavery north of the border (non-Indigenous, that is....), they really had to reinvent bad things to be ashamed of. Ultimately, the actual tearing down of a single statue of Macdonald is more damaging to the fabric of our nation than all the rhetoric from the Orange Man. Sankofa Square - pretty sums up the vacuity of Toronto's elite culture. If we don't stand up for ourselves, who will?
I was angry at the time, though in retrospect, the debasement of our culture, society and history was both sad and pathetic. No one can pretend our past is perfect, but it is a proud heritage we have that has produced a society with one of the highest standards of living in human history.
So, patriotic again? Welcome back. LoL.
Lisa1956
New Member
exactly - just like Germany in the 20's & 30's, he said what they wanted to hear.
Admiral Beez
Superstar
Let’s not dump them all into the same deplorable pile….yet. Most Americans either voted for Harris or didn’t vote at all. Now, we can kick those who didn’t vote as lazy enablers, but before we do we need to recognize the intentional barriers and disincentives to voting baked into the US system. Voter ID laws and registration blocks are intended to disenfranchise many. As for myself, I’m giving our Americans a chance to redeem themselves this Nov. If the Republicans still take the House we can right them off. The Senate is trickier as it’s designed to benefit smaller population states, which trend conservative.
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kEiThZ
Superstar
Putin has literally sent a million Russians to get killed or maimed in Ukraine. That's setting aside the millions in Ukrainian casualties. His regime has kidnapped tens of thousands of Ukrainian children. His air force literally attacks children's hospitals in Ukraine. Amazing how none of that got the same condemnation from you as one woman (however tragic) getting killed by an abusive cop in the US. Nothing says more about how social media has rotted somebody's brain and their ability to distinguish reality from propaganda.
I recently read something that a European diplomat said, "We can't plan global security around 10 000 idiots in Pennsylvania every 4 years." The American system is fundamentally broken and actually encourages extremism. And this true on both sides. Why did Biden substantially ignore illegal immigration at the Southern border? Because he had an entire left flank in his party who wants to excuse this to worry about. They are as likely to get worse before they get better.
Fundamentally, the premise for a multi-polar world was based on the idea that each major power would act in its interests, mostly leading a large block. What nobody had on the books was the US going half-cocked to simply dominate an area of interest they define for themselves (and which we are unfortunately caught up in) while trying to disengage everywhere else. The only way this gets better for us, is Europe getting out of its morass to create a proper pole on the other side of the Atlantic that essentially forces the US back into a Trans-Atlantic relationship. Everybody else has to get to the point where the average American sees value in the relationship. And I don't see that happening any time soon.
Full Metal Junkie
Active Member
USA has always been a bad guy. It's just that with the latest Trump administration the mask came off. What they are doing right now is no different from what they were doing during the height of the Cold War: regime changes and carving up spheres of influence abroad, violent police crackdowns on protests and descent at home. It's just that they don't even bother to sugarcoat it in some sort of "moral superiority" ideological crap anymore.
So is America a bad guy? Yes. Is it the baddest of the bad guys? Hell no. There are plenty of oppressive regimes out there that are not even on the same level of brutality and oppression as the US. Russia being one of them. China, North Korea, Iran, Venezuella, Saudi Arabia... The list goes on and on. If anything, I would say that the US is the least bad of the bad guys. Now, if you are only comparing the US to the rest of what is considered the democratic West, then yes, the USA is the greatest evil. Of the West. Not of the world.
Cobra
Senior Member
If we're talking scale - the US is the greatest evil in the world today.
When the United States imposes sanctions or intervenes in another country’s internal affairs, it doesn’t just punish a government - it reshapes that country’s entire economic environment. Sanctions can isolate an economy, distort markets, and weaken civil institutions, often creating the very instability they’re meant to prevent. And in many cases, these pressures allow authoritarian leaders to tighten their grip by blaming external forces for domestic hardship, rallying nationalist sentiment, and portraying themselves as defenders against foreign aggression. The result is that outside pressure, even when intended to promote change, can end up entrenching the very regimes it targets.
That's the politically correct way to put it, in reality - the US don't care, it's all about their oligarch class interest even if it means burning those nations. They bomb Venezuela infrastructure housing vital medical supply and now demanding that the oil revenue be used to only buy American - and LOTS of Americans are cheering for it despite being to dumb to realize that they will never see a dime of those ventures ever benefit them.
Admiral Beez
Superstar
Agreed. And the NYT Daily Podcast summarized it nicely. Here's the written piece on the same. Biden was surrounded by BLM, "no one is illegal" and other radical leftists, to the point that rational advisors on the border were ignored.
Paywall free: https://archive.is/XphUu
evandyk
Senior Member
Canada could never defend itself from an attack by the US and there is no point trying to prepare for that eventuality (which will not happen in any of our lifetimes). Which isn't to say that Canada shouldn't spend on more defence capabilities - we should, but mostly in the north and off our coasts, not in Ottawa or Calgary.
UtakataNoAnnex
Superstar
I wonder when folks will ever get tired of this bothsidesism gibberish. I know I am exhausted by it... /bleh
evandyk
Senior Member
LOL. Biden the "radical leftist".
Bojaxs
Senior Member
I know this might sound crazy, but if Trump or "Trumpism" survives a third term in 2028, I wonder what's they likelihood we start seeing secession brought up in states like California and Minnesota?