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zang said:
There was undoubtedly a wave, and all dems road it. I was specifically talking about Zohran there. Mamdani was all but openly booted from the party, had almost non existent support from anyone higher up, literally ran against an old-guard democrat, and still managed to take the "second toughest job in America" with a clear majority.

He was able to prove that even with most of the Democrat machine working against him, he could still both succeed and make glaringly obvious the cracks in their facade. He was able to do what even Bernie couldn't.
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I mean sure, it was a majority but not a landslide. He won 50.4% of the vote and Cuomo still got 41.6%.
Sadly, running a "progressive Candidate" is not going to work everywhere. Ultimately most Americans are what they would call "moderates".
The Mamdani type candidate worked in NYC, but it might not work in New Jersey or North Carolina, or Texas, or wherever.
 
zang said:
He was able to prove that even with most of the Democrat machine working against him, he could still both succeed and make glaringly obvious the cracks in their facade. He was able to do what even Bernie couldn't.
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Tells you all you need to know about the vision and the priorities at the Democratic party, when the most popular candidates have to go up against the entire party apparatus, instead of the entire party apparatus being thrown in support of the most popular candidates. But then again, they are in the business of representing donor interests instead of representing interests of the people. And nothing is about to change that.
 
wopchop said:
I mean sure, it was a majority but not a landslide. He won 50.4% of the vote and Cuomo still got 41.6%.
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Cuomo had to push out Eric Adams, try and push out Curtis Sliwa, get the endorsement of Trump, Bill Clinton, former mayor Bloomberg, the current mayor Adams, had the wallet of billionaire Bill Ackman at his disposal, and in the end the only borough he take could was Staten Island.

wopchop said:
Sadly, running a "progressive Candidate" is not going to work everywhere. Ultimately most Americans are what they would call "moderates".
The Mamdani type candidate worked in NYC, but it might not work in New Jersey or North Carolina, or Texas, or wherever.
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Regardless of whether he's "too progressive", Mamdani won on making life affordable for the working class—explicitly by targeting the 1%—and by actively rejecting AIPAC. Both of these things are easily replicable by just about any Democrat, provided they dare to move away from the decades of party talking points and earnestly start targeting moneyed interests.
 
evandyk said:
I don't think the comparisons of Mamdani to Rae or Layton are apt. Those two people became leaders of political parties that weren't expected to win, and they brought unexpected electoral results.

Mamdani won the leadership contest of the party that was totally expected to win. He's more like Justin Trudeau, a young fresh face taking over the leadership of an established electoral machine, and riding that to power.
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Not precisely, because the Dem big tent encompasses *both* "Liberal" *and* "NDP" tendencies--the latter in the "socialist caucus" terms of Bernie, AOC, and yes, Mamdami.

And while it may *seem* that the Dems were totally expected to win, the contentiousness of Mamdami's nomination win *did* lead his chief opponent, Cuomo, to run as an independent and the de facto standard-bearer for the "moderate Dem" base who couldn't stomach voting for Mamdami. And Cuomo is hardly a GOPer, even if he got a lot of the strategic GOP-proxy vote in the end--and that was the key to *his* remaining viable.

So, in the end, it wasn't that the Dems were totally expected to win, so much as *a* Dem was totally expected to win.
 
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What was meant to be a routine press conference in the Oval Office on November 6 turned into a circus when a medical emergency interrupted the event. During a meeting where President Donald Trump was slated to announce updates on GLP-1 weight loss treatments Zepboud and Wegovy, a male attendee fainted behind the president. According to White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt, the person at the center of said health scare worked for either Eli Lilly or Novo Nordisk, the two companies in attendance, according to Newsweek. However, the reaction of some of Trump's ego-boosting cabinet members, and the president himself, has seemingly sparked a bit of a heated debate.

As can be seen in the above photo, Trump appears to just be standing, staring into the middle distance, while other staffers rush to care for the collapsed man. Monitoring the situation did require cutting the press conference short, which led one user on X to state that Trump "was frustrated because he was no longer the center of attention." Another suggested that the president "didn't have a clue what was going on." Some of his harsher critics pointed out how Trump appeared to have "No empathy. No instinct. No leadership. Just performance." However, there were just as many willing to support the president amid his apparent buffering.
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https://twitter.com/x/status/1986488108041576837
 
zang said:
Cuomo had to push out Eric Adams, try and push out Curtis Sliwa, get the endorsement of Trump, Bill Clinton, former mayor Bloomberg, the current mayor Adams, had the wallet of billionaire Bill Ackman at his disposal, and in the end the only borough he take could was Staten Island.



Regardless of whether he's "too progressive", Mamdani won on making life affordable for the working class—explicitly by targeting the 1%—and by actively rejecting AIPAC. Both of these things are easily replicable by just about any Democrat, provided they dare to move away from the decades of party talking points and earnestly start targeting moneyed interests.
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Personally I do not think he is too progressive, but I do think that most Americans would think that.
What makes you think that most Americans actually support his positions? I don't think we can conclude that because his carried 50% of the vote in NYC, it means that this same strategy would carry all over the USA. I think the fact that Cuomo, a total scum bag, got 41% means the opposite, in fact.
Like, I get it and am hopeful to see that progressive change, but I'm very skeptical because I know Americans and I think that in general they are not culturally there right now where you would see the majority support those same policies.
 
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And those anti-trans hits just keep on a comin'...

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#BREAKING: #SCOTUS grants yet another stay to the Trump administration, putting back into place a new State Department policy requiring passports to display their bearers' biological sex at birth. Justice Jackson (joined by Justices Sotomayor and Kagan) once again dissents.
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EBT said:
The new and improved West Colonnade of the White House. The only thing missing is slot machines.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1986264370523803992
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Really; it's like when a guy builds a neighbourhood eyesore, the neighbours complain, and the guy doubles down and makes it even *more* of an eyesore--"eat this, snowflake NIMBYs". A pathological form of aesthetic "I'm in charge here" where the visual cruelty is the point.

And of course, his team and cheering squad whatabouting/othersiding the "visual cruelty" argument by bringing up the Obama library in Chicago, or spewing out AI slop suggesting that mayor-elect Mamdami's gonna install domes and minarets at Gracie Mansion...
 
wopchop said:
Personally I do not think he is too progressive, but I do think that most Americans would think that.
What makes you think that most Americans actually support his positions?
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Oh, I dunno. What makes me think Americans support affordability, taxing the rich and support for Palestine?

wopchop said:
I don't think we can conclude that because his carried 50% of the vote in NYC, it means that this same strategy would carry all over the USA.
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I think it's more than doable. The problem has always been both the Democrats and Republicans have been submissive to moneyed interests and when you've got effectively a two party system that doesn't leave a lot of room for hope and change. Mamdani's win shows that it's possible for the Dems to be a party for the sans-culottes again.

wopchop said:
I think the fact that Cuomo, a total scum bag, got 41% means the opposite, in fact.
Like, I get it and am hopeful to see that progressive change, but I'm very skeptical because I know Americans and I think that in general they are not culturally there right now where you would see the majority support those same policies.
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I have family in the states. I think you underestimate how fluid the average voter can be. Many voted for Trump because they thought he was going to bring affordability back, or because they believed that Republicans stood with the working class. Many have since had the veil removed from their eyes. Over two thirds of the country think it's headed in the wrong direction. A similar number think the state of the economy is a problem. Almost ¾ believe in climate change.

https://apnews.com/projects/polling-tracker/

The problem the Democrats has always been their innate ability to repeatedly punch themselves in the junk. And it's always started from the top. Voters have been shown change can and will have to come from the bottom up. Time to cut the rot out.
 
adma said:
Not precisely, because the Dem big tent encompasses *both* "Liberal" *and* "NDP" tendencies--the latter in the "socialist caucus" terms of Bernie, AOC, and yes, Mamdami.

And while it may *seem* that the Dems were totally expected to win, the contentiousness of Mamdami's nomination win *did* lead his chief opponent, Cuomo, to run as an independent and the de facto standard-bearer for the "moderate Dem" base who couldn't stomach voting for Mamdami. And Cuomo is hardly a GOPer, even if he got a lot of the strategic GOP-proxy vote in the end--and that was the key to *his* remaining viable.

So, in the end, it wasn't that the Dems were totally expected to win, so much as *a* Dem was totally expected to win.
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Bernie, AOC and Mamdani would all feel comfortable in the federal Liberal party, just like Bob Rae did.
 
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