PM Mark Carney's Canada

[kEiThZ]

We don't have to enact laws that make it illegal to criticize Israel.

What law is this?

 

[kEiThZ]

^I'm just saying, if someone had made that exact post but replaced "Palestine" with "Ukraine", everyone on here would be calling for them to be banned for being a Russian bot. If we are going to be isolationists, then let's be so consistently,

Nobody is suggesting we should be isolationists. Just that the Israel-Palestine conflict isn't as relevant to us. Ukraine is. The war in Ukraine is literally driving defence spending higher.

 

[kEiThZ]

I'll agree on this. The goal is to get official party status back with a dozen seats, and they won't get there by being Liberal Lite. The NDP's survival counts on connecting with both young folks and wealthy lefties. To do this the NDP needs to get attention by taking outrageous positions. In that case, Avi Lewis is your man.

I don't get this tactically.

We don't vote by socio-economic cohorts. We vote in ridings. What ridings do you think Lewis can actually flip?

I see Lewis as running up the score in key urban ridings. This is basically what keeps the Conservatives out of power. They pander to the rural base. And then lose suburban battleground seats. It's soccer moms who determine elections in this country. And I'm skeptical Lewis does anything that makes them flip substantially.

 

[narduch]

What law is this?

Bill C-9

 

[afransen]

Just replace Palestine with Ukraine in your response to see how lame it is.

We could be acting like Spain by the way. We could stop helping to arm Israel. We don't have to enact laws that make it illegal to criticize Israel. Etc.

It's also totally disingenuous to accuse those who dont support Israeli atrocities as single issue voters. If anything we are probably more consistent on a lot of issues compared to centrists. A lot of us aren't happy seeing Carney's shift to the right either.

You'll have a point when you point to me a politician running on the basis of their support for Ukraine. I haven't seen it. I would be similarly appalled if a voter only cared about Canada's position on Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

 

[CMQSD402F9011]

And I’ve also wondered why many Gen Z people don’t support Ukraine or have forgotten about Ukraine since 2023 once the Israel Gaza war has started.

 

[afransen]

And I’ve also wondered why many Gen Z people don’t support Ukraine or have forgotten about Ukraine since 2023 once the Israel Gaza war has started.

The far left seems to have an inordinate affinity for conservative Islam. I'm not sure I understand why. I suppose the oppression of women and gays is fine as long as it is happening far away and the perpetrators are non-white.

 

[Admiral Beez]

I don't get this tactically. We don't vote by socio-economic cohorts. We vote in ridings. What ridings do you think Lewis can actually flip?

Probably none in the next two elections. But I don't see any other viable path. Liberal lite will send them into Green territory. In fact that's their best hope, merge with the Greens. Keep 1-2 seats and hope to be a deciding voice in a close parliament.

 

[kEiThZ]

The far left seems to have an inordinate affinity for conservative Islam. I'm not sure I understand why. I suppose the oppression of women and gays is fine as long as it is happening far away and the perpetrators are non-white.

Simpler. It's an entire worldview driven by dislike of the US. And more broadly the West. There's nothing more to it. It's the overriding principle. Ergo, you can oppress women and gays as long as you make a show of opposing the US or an American proxy (Israel here).

To me Evangelical Republicans sound no different than Ayatollahs in Iran. And I'd be happy for both of those groups to be out of power in their respective countries. But that kind of nuance gets me labeled as "centrist".

 

[81-717]

The far left seems to have an inordinate affinity for conservative Islam. I'm not sure I understand why. I suppose the oppression of women and gays is fine as long as it is happening far away and the perpetrators are non-white.

Simpler. It's an entire worldview driven by dislike of the US. And more broadly the West. There's nothing more to it. It's the overriding principle. Ergo, you can oppress women and gays as long as you make a show of opposing the US

This is what's wrong with the (far) left, not only are they ok with it happening "far away", but are complicit in importing those same problems too close to home (whether out of ignorance or outright malice).

 

[kEiThZ]

Probably none in the next two elections. But I don't see any other viable path. Liberal lite will send them into Green territory. In fact that's their best hope, merge with the Greens. Keep 1-2 seats and hope to be a deciding voice in a close parliament.

Most of the Leap Manifesto overlaps with GPC positions today. Not sure how much sway that platform has today. But look at these points:

" The points include:

1. Fully implementing the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples
2. A shift to a "100% clean energy economy" by 2050
3. A moratorium on new fossil fuel infrastructure projects
4. Support for community-owned clean energy projects
5. A universal program for energy efficiency and retrofitting, prioritizing low income communities
6. High-speed rail and affordable, nation-wide public transit
7. Re-training and resources for workers in carbon-intensive industries
8. A national infrastructure-renewal program
9. An overhaul of the agricultural industry, prioritizing local production
10. A moratorium on international trade deals that infringe upon democratic rights
11. Immigration status and full legal protection for all workers, including immigrants and refugees
12. Investment in expanding "low-carbon" sectors of the economy, including through the development of a national childcare program
13. A "vigorous debate" on the implementation of a universal basic income
14. An end to austerity and subsidies to the fossil fuel industry, paid for with cuts to military spending and robust progressive, wealth, and corporate taxation
15. An end to corporate funding of political campaigns and examination of voting reform

Honestly, I'm not sure how much daylight there is between the two parties. They'd be better off merging. At least they'd get more seats in common.

 

[kEiThZ]

This is what's wrong with the (far) left, not only are they ok with it happening "far away", but are complicit in importing those same problems too close to home (whether out of ignorance or outright malice).

Nice try. Left =\= far left.

Just because you vote for Dentacare doesn't make you suddenly okay with honour killings.

 

[picard102]

And I’ve also wondered why many Gen Z people don’t support Ukraine or have forgotten about Ukraine since 2023 once the Israel Gaza war has started.

Today in things that never happened.

 

[CMQSD402F9011]

This is what's wrong with the (far) left, not only are they ok with it happening "far away", but are complicit in importing those same problems too close to home (whether out of ignorance or outright malice).

Have most people heard of the Grand Mosque Seizure of 1979 in Saudi Arabia(?) that paved the way for the Islamist movement like Hamas to take over the Arab countries like Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Tunisia, Libya, Algeria and Morocco. Tajikistan on the other hand rejects any conservative Islam approach.

 

[picard102]

Simpler. It's an entire worldview driven by dislike of the US. And more broadly the West. There's nothing more to it. It's the overriding principle. Ergo, you can oppress women and gays as long as you make a show of opposing the US or an American proxy (Israel here).

To me Evangelical Republicans sound no different than Ayatollahs in Iran. And I'd be happy for both of those groups to be out of power in their respective countries. But that kind of nuance gets me labeled as "centrist".

Talk about simple worldviews. Where are people saying women and gays can be oppressed? What gets you labeled as a centrist is not saying you also oppose Supremacist Zionists.