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The general public actually support's Palestine not being oppressed by Israel. So it actually isn't extreme to support them.

It's only centrists and right wingers that have been captured by the Israel lobby who try to paint it as an extreme belief when really it isnt.
 
The general public actually support's Palestine not being oppressed by Israel. So it actually isn't extreme to support them.

Nobody said it was extreme.

Supporting Palestine and having it be a major part of a Canadian political party's identity are two different things.

Heck, you might think of me as one of those "captured by the Israel lobby" based on our interaction here. But if I was asked by a pollster if I supported a Palestinian state, my answer would be an unqualified "yes". But there's no way, I'd vote for a political party that thinks this should be one of their major issues. Not in the least because what happens in Palestine is all but irrelevant on a day to day basis for the vast majority of Canadians.

But hey, I guess good for the NDP that they lock in votes like yours. Should help them make those orange ridings even more orange.
 
The NDP does need to swing left. Its pointless for them to try to be a Liberal lite party.

There's different ways to swing left. And what policies are emphasized matters. Singh was perceived as pushing social issues. And whatever economic ideas he had got co-opted by Trudeau. How'd that work out for the NDP?

But as somebody who wants things built, I'm more than happy to have the NDP bleed some ridings to the red team.
 
Demanding of the Canadian government to free Palestine is like showing up to a grocery store and demanding they do an MRI of your knee - a misguided endeavor. What is the Canadian government supposed to do? Express our deep concerns at the UN again? Okay. And how is that going to benefit me, as a Canadian, that my PM is spending all his working hours writing letters of condemnation of Israeli actions instead of, you know, doing the work that is in their actual job description?

But great that we have a party that provides a safe space for people who value the Palestinian flag over the Canadian one 👍

Let's see how that plays out for them when they have to attract the vote of Canadian voters.
 
^I'm just saying, if someone had made that exact post but replaced "Palestine" with "Ukraine", everyone on here would be calling for them to be banned for being a Russian bot. If we are going to be isolationists, then let's be so consistently, and not only when it's our ideological enemies instead of our BFFs committing the war crimes.

Or let's condemn all violence and injustice equally, because speaking out against mindless violence ultimately benefits all of us as a species. I really don't see how making statements every now and then condemning violence instead of going along with them take away from a politician's ability to govern, especially since it's crystal clear that there's no danger of life getting easier or more pleasant if we do take an isolationist stance anyway. No one out there is actually going to do anything about the cost of living, there's no money to be made from that, and the sooner we accept that the less painful it will be.
 
What is the Canadian government supposed to do?
Sanctions. Expelling diplomats. Enforcing the foreign enlistment act. Removing charitable status on organizations focused on lobbying for Israel. Stopping the sale of arms. Deny entry to IDF members doing recruitment tours.

Plenty of options there.
 
But great that we have a party that provides a safe space for people who value the Palestinian flag over the Canadian one 👍
That's why I always thought the title "protest" was misused when we saw demonstrations in Canada about Gaza. They're not protesting against Canada in anyway, but are instead rallying.
The NDP does need to swing left. Its pointless for them to try to be a Liberal lite party.
I'll agree on this. The goal is to get official party status back with a dozen seats, and they won't get there by being Liberal Lite. The NDP's survival counts on connecting with both young folks and wealthy lefties. To do this the NDP needs to get attention by taking outrageous positions. In that case, Avi Lewis is your man.
 
That's why I always thought the title "protest" was misused when we saw demonstrations in Canada about Gaza. They're not protesting against Canada in anyway, but are instead rallying.
I wasn't talking about the Free Palestine rallies. I was talking about the NDP rallies specifically, who are, you know, a Canadian political party.

Oh this little bit of misinformation.
This is the type of "misinformation" I was referring to. Forgive me if I got confused which country NDP is supposed to be governing.

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It's too bad the party that professes to care the most about that comes with a whole bunch of cultural politics that most Canadians don't want to vote for. Gonna be a hard sell for most to vote for a party that has more Palestinian flags than Canadian ones at a rally.....
I was more neutral on Israel until this Iran war fiasco and their renewed land-grab in Lebanon. We are letting a microstate of 10m people cause geopolitical chaos through their inordinate influence over the global hegemon. They need to be reined in.
 
The general public actually support's Palestine not being oppressed by Israel. So it actually isn't extreme to support them.

It's only centrists and right wingers that have been captured by the Israel lobby who try to paint it as an extreme belief when really it isnt.
How is Lewis or the NDP going to ensure Palestine is not oppressed by Israel. How much of their policy agenda/political capital should be directed to that goal?

Lewis running on this is a cynical attempt to harness low-info single issue voters on a policy for which the Canadian government has bordering on zero influence.
 
How is Lewis or the NDP going to ensure Palestine is not oppressed by Israel. How much of their policy agenda/political capital should be directed to that goal?

Lewis running on this is a cynical attempt to harness low-info single issue voters on a policy for which the Canadian government has bordering on zero influence.
Just replace Palestine with Ukraine in your response to see how lame it is.

We could be acting like Spain by the way. We could stop helping to arm Israel. We don't have to enact laws that make it illegal to criticize Israel. Etc.

It's also totally disingenuous to accuse those who dont support Israeli atrocities as single issue voters. If anything we are probably more consistent on a lot of issues compared to centrists. A lot of us aren't happy seeing Carney's shift to the right either.
 
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I was more neutral on Israel until this Iran war fiasco and their renewed land-grab in Lebanon. We are letting a microstate of 10m people cause geopolitical chaos through their inordinate influence over the global hegemon. They need to be reined in.

Mostly agree. They are going well beyond self-preservation now. And I think a lot of it is driven by their own internal politics (Netanyahu staying out of prison).

Just replace Palestine with Ukraine in your response to see how lame it is.

I don't see the argument. We support Ukraine with weapons and training. We have substantially more ability to influence the outcome in Ukraine. And the Ukrainian conflict is a lot closer to our core security interests (stable Europe) and architecture (NATO). We have little to no real influence in the Israel-Palestine conflict. And other than cutting some aid cheques, I'm not sure what we can really do. And beyond ethnic ties, the average Canuck is impacted by events over there either.
 

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