It’s not like it’s the first floor crossing in history. Some people who crossed the floor do not get reelected, and some people do. Apparently, he spoke with his constituents and felt there was support for him doing this.
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PM Mark Carney's Canada
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afransen
Senior Member
No, in parliamentary democracy, you elect a local representative to act as your agent and representative in the HoC. They are empowered to change their party affiliation if the circumstances dictate it.
Some people try to jam the reality of representative parliamentary democracy into a pseudo presidential frame where MPs are just an electoral college for the PM who acts as president. That may be how people think the system works, but it is not how it works in reality. We should be reinforcing the parliamentary role of MPs and empowering them, not making them meat puppets to rubber stamp the party leaders.
kEiThZ
Superstar
Raising taxes while companies are being pressured to move to the US? Bold move for sure.
And there will be nothing like this while they are in a minority. It would probably be a redline for every potential partner. Hopefully, if they get a majority, they go for it over the next 2-3 years.
Good. Time for the feds to stop doing work that the provinces should be doing. It would also reduce the incentive for outlandish proposals like Ford's tunnel. Or the tendency to simply cave to every local demand. The feds need to give some funding so that MPs have ribbon cuttings. No need to have it be substantial at all. We will never building anything of national significance while the feds are scrambling to fund local trams.
Also, I wouldn't expect clarity on the national projects in the budget. They have absolutely massive allocations for those. But it'll go through another agency. The CIB, for example, saw their allocation go up to $45B. And there's several billion in defence and security infrastructure that will now go through the Defence Investment Agency. I would expect more on this as these individual projects mature.
AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
Theoretically - in practice, we have seen a number of elections where the platforms were barely released, if at all - that's not even taking about the fiction some of these platforms were.
AoD
Northern Light
Superstar
The intent was not to suggest raising taxes on a net basis, as I clearly stated.
It was preference for lowering the general corporate tax rate, rather than accelerated capital cost depreciation, and raising the small business rate, but directly applying to a lower general rate.
Studies have indicated that many businesses feel the existing structure punishes companies that grow.
Admiral Beez
Superstar
Indeed. Some good examples here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossing_the_floor#Changing_parties
guavadelic
Active Member
Saw a recent poll indicating that the Liberals were doing best with the 60+ cohort, so it would be a risky move. However, Carney hasn't seemed worried about political ramifications in several of this decisions so far so i could see him doing it anyway.
thettctransitfanatic
Senior Member
Another one bites the dust.. Conservative MP Matt Jeneroux has resigned from Parliament from his seat in Edmonton Riverbend. This will trigger a byelection and technically means Liberals could be 1 byelection win away from a majority.
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Richard White
Senior Member
thettctransitfanatic
Senior Member
nightstreak
Active Member
Not sure this does much for the dynamics. He's in an Alberta riding, it'll just get another Conservative MP. What's the math on one fewer member voting on the budget? I believe it's still 171, whereas if that member sill voted it would be 171 plus the Speaker. Carney still needs to find one more MP to either cross the aisle or "get stuck in the elevator" during the vote.
thettctransitfanatic
Senior Member
Without any Opposition support and adjusting for the Speaker, the Liberals are now down 169-172
4 abstentions (or 3 abstentions plus the Speaker) or 2 Yes votes gets the Budget through
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afransen
Senior Member
Urban Alberta. The margin of victory over the LPC was 5 pts.
Matt Jeneroux - Wikipedia
guavadelic
Active Member
The trend is notable though. Rumors have been rife of several possible conservative floor crossers. Pierre and co have put heavy pressure on possible defectors to stem the tide, so instead of floor crossing they could just respond by resigning. If they're from competitive ridings, then it'll make things interesting.
Admiral Beez
Superstar
Indeed. Edmonton is Carney's home town and a growing LPC strong point. Edmonton Centre has been Liberal since 2021, and with the exception of the NDP stronghold of Edmonton Strathcona where the LPC came a distant third in this year's federal election, the LPC came a strong second; winning 44% of the vote in Jeneroux's riding of Edmonton Riverbend, 40% in Edmonton West, 39% in Edmonton Southeast, 38% in Edmonton Northwest, 37% in Edmonton Gateway, 35% in Edmonton Manning, and 34% in Edmonton Griesbach. Those are all strong numbers, showing growing support for the LPC in the Edmonton region. If there is a by-election in Edmonton Riverbend in 2026, the LPC has strong odds of taking it, especially as many of the nearly 5% of NDP supporters in 2025 may move to Carney.
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