PM Mark Carney's Canada

[kEiThZ]

And I thought we were done with Indian international students.

India-Canada education push: PM Mark Carney announces 13 university pacts; McGill to set up AI centre in India

Carney’s visit follows earlier meetings between the two leaders in Kananaskis in June 2025 and Johannesburg in November 2025. In addition to official talks, Modi and Carney are scheduled to participate in the India-Canada CEOs forum.

indianexpress.com

I hope this time around we do it right.

- will we verify their documents this time?
- will we say no to the education to refugee transitions?
- will we be sure they attend school?
- will we stop them working 40h a week at Tims?

That said, I support the thoughtful exchange of Indian students and the attraction of high quality students for PR especially for STEM at the masters and phd levels. I do no support the totally thoughtless student program that the Trudeau Liberals supported (note many of those Liberals are still in the government).

200 graduate students working on AI (as per the article) is a whole lot different from the marketing fundamentals student at Conestoga College who is planning on making a career out of selling phone cases at a mall kiosk.

 

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Got anything from an actual news organization to back that up?

Here ya go. Also the photo of the missile doing a u-turn in the air speaks for itself.

 

[kEiThZ]

Here ya go. Also the photo of the missile doing a u-turn in the air speaks for itself.

Respectfully, if the reader(s) can't bother clicking the link(s) for themselves, it ain't my problem

Fog of war. I am not going to say mistakes don't happen. But nobody in the US is going to intentionally bomb a school. They aren't Russian. But with stories like this, I am always deeply suspicious whether it's not an outright mistake but:

1) Failed Iranian air defences. Unfortunately, a failed rocket body can do quite a lot of damage with fuel still onboard.

2) Using civilian infrastructure as human shields for their operations. I would not be surprised if they parked a launcher in the school courtyard.

 

[Full Metal Junkie]

Here ya go. Also the photo of the missile doing a u-turn in the air speaks for itself.

Failed Iranian air defences. Unfortunately, a failed rocket body can do quite a lot of damage with fuel still onboard.

Okay, I just have to address this disinformation even though its off-topic for this thread. The social media are full of people rallying around the flag of their choosing and cheering on their respective team, spreading whatever disinformation that suits the narrative that they want to believe in. The photo of the Iranian missile making a U-turn is part of that disinformation campaign.

GeoConfirmed - world's most reputable and most accurate OSINT team for geolocation of footage in warzones - has debunked this already. The failed Iranian launch occurred 1300 km away from the school and could not have hit it no matter how much you want to Blame Iran for everything.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2027859937842393278

The school bombing is most likely the result of US and Israel airstrikes. The school was right next to an IRGC compound. Still, that's not an excuse for such collateral damage.

 

[kEiThZ]

Okay, I just have to address this disinformation even though its off-topic for this thread. The social media are full of people rallying around the flag of their choosing and cheering on their respective team, spreading whatever disinformation that suits the narrative that they want to believe in. The photo of the Iranian missile making a U-turn is part of that disinformation campaign.

GeoConfirmed - world's most reputable and most accurate OSINT team for geolocation of footage in warzones - has debunked this already. The failed Iranian launch occurred 1300 km away from the school and could not have hit it no matter how much you want to Blame Iran for everything.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2027859937842393278

The school bombing is most likely the result of US and Israel airstrikes. The school was right next to an IRGC compound. Still, that's not an excuse for such collateral damage.

Fair. Like I said I don't rule out mistakes. They happen in war.

I don't accept the insinuation that this was somehow deliberate though.

 

[Full Metal Junkie]

Fair. Like I said I don't rule out mistakes. They happen in war.
I don't accept the insinuation that this was somehow deliberate though.

It's a costly mistake. Human tragedy aside, making such a mistake on day one of the operations is a sure way to fall behind in media narratives and lose in the court of public opinions. They needed to have come out and owned up to the school strike. Take the responsibility, don't try to sweep it under the rug.

 

[wopchop]

The school bombing is most likely the result of US and Israel airstrikes. The school was right next to an IRGC compound. Still, that's not an excuse for such collateral damage.

BBC yesterday was reporting the school is about 600m from the base, so right next door not exactly but certainly close.

It is important because the language being used in reporting (right next door) attaches a context to the incident that can be used to deflect blame for errors.

Here ya go. Also the photo of the missile doing a u-turn in the air speaks for itself.

This doesn't really prove anything. It just a photo and a bunch of random influencers talking?

 

[Full Metal Junkie]

BBC yesterday was reporting the school is about 600m from the base, so right next door not exactly but certainly close.

I'll let @kEiThZ weigh in on this, but something tells me that the Circular Error Probable of the munitions being dropped by US and Israel is a lot smaller than 600m. As in, you don't miss by that much with the precision-guided munitions (unless it's a freak malfunction, partial interception, or its guidance system got jammed and it veered off course).

 

[kEiThZ]

I'll let @kEiThZ weigh in on this, but something tells me that the Circular Error Probable of the munitions being dropped by US and Israel is a lot smaller than 600m. As in, you don't miss by that much with the precision-guided munitions (unless it's a freak malfunction, partial interception, or its guidance system got jammed and it veered off course).

I'll use basic arithmetic to illustrate a point. 1 in 60 rule:

In air navigation, the 1 in 60 rule is a rule of thumb which states that if a pilot has traveled sixty miles then an error in track of one mile is approximately a 1° error in heading, and proportionately more for larger errors.

So one of the issues that can happen is that a stuck fin at launch few miles out can absolutely end up hitting something hundreds of metres away. It's actually a problem we have inside Canada. There are weapons we have where a malfunction is the difference between landing inside the Cold Lake Air Weapons Range (which is 11 700 square kilometres) and downtown Edmonton or Calgary hundreds of kilometres away. There's obviously strict rules on doing this stuff at home which tend to be eased during wartime. But even say a 1 in 10 000 failure rate might end up with bad bingo.

A deliberate situation is very difficult. Generally when target lists are drawn up, things like schools, mosques, hospitals, museums, etc are marked on something called a No Strike List (NSL) or a Restricted Strike List (RSL). Hitting NSL outside of an imminent threat is somewhere between end of career to court martial. Hitting RSL without similar justification is almost the same. When it's deliberate targets, military facilities, industry, etc. these are actually vetted with a JAG lawyer in the room to make sure that known international law is not intentionally violated. So the only way we end up in this kind of horrific situation where something is fired at a school full of kids is 1) somehow all the intellligence failed to put this school on the RSL or NSL. or 2) Pilot thinks they saw a launch from there or believed they were fired on from there and fired back. Kinda like the very first casualties we took in Afghanistan.

I know there's this idea among the left that military folks are callous bastards who love to kill. But I assure you that nobody in uniform wants a lifetime of PTSD and guilt that will come with knowing they killed a single kid, let alone several. I know quite a few soldiers, including and ex-CO of mine, who suffered tremendously from watching kids killed in Afghanistan. And without exception they all said they wished they had died in place of those kids (none actually killed a kid, just witnessed it). Several attempted suicide after.

 

[narduch]

After what they've done in Gaza, Israel doesn't get the benefit of doubt anymore when it comes to civilian casualties

 

[UtakataNoAnnex]

Carney too much of a weasely coward and canceled his press conference today as he didn't want to answer why he supports the latest illegal war by USA and Israel

...did he really put that sign back up in the shop window now?