PM Justin Trudeau's Canada

[Northern Light]

There are other factors that play into herd sizes between the two countries.

For sure.

Canada is (roughly) 2% larger than the US, but the US is about 16% arable land vs about 4.5% for us.

While I agree with the statistics, I'm not sure I agree w/their role here.

Our dairy industry is largely geared to domestic needs and we're 1/9th the size.......and the land demands for dairy herds will be the same or slightly higher per head on a smaller farm, I would think.

It total arable land we're up there:

From: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/arable-land-by-country

Also, the US allows artificial growth hormones in their dairy herds; we do not.

Again, this is true, and I happen to oppose BGH (Bovine Growth Hormone) usage.

That said, I'm not sure why its usage would impact herd size.

Also, perhaps surprisingly to some, by only 17% of U.S. dairy cattle have been injected with BGH.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dairy_cattle

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This got me thinking about average dairy herd size in other countries.

From: https://milksa.co.za/sites/default/files/2024-05/2022 IFCN Report.pdf

So Canadian herd sizes are smaller than the Czech Republic, Denmark, Israel and the UK.

 

[kEiThZ]

How is Pierre Poilievre going to deal with the supply management question when negotiating with Doanld Trump?

He isn't. It's a party that hates supply management and sees it as something benefit Eastern Canada farmers. They'll happily toss it under the proverbial bus.

Can't wait to see how shocked people are to discover how much Poilievre is willing to give away. The guy only cares about beating the Liberals and things perceived as Liberal. Canadian national interest is very far from his mind.

 

[afransen]

He might see it as a positive if it fuels Quebec separatism.

 

[lenaitch]

That said, I'm not sure why its usage would impact herd size.

Increases milk production and decreases feed requirements per cow. But, as you point out, our production is geared at domestic use.

 

[lenaitch]

I believe there is much more concentration is the ownership of production facilities; i.e. 'dairies' than the farms, both here and in the US.

I find it interesting that the US industry is largely unprofitable (and therefore assumingly subsidized) yet the US clings to the myth that their ag industry is a free market success vs our evil 'government controlled' industry.

 

[Admiral Beez]

He isn't. It's a party that hates supply management and sees it as something benefit Eastern Canada farmers. They'll happily toss it under the proverbial bus.

His western and national base will notice when he's forced to concede on softwood lumber and increasing stumpage fees to match the cost of US lumber.

In a way Trudeau would be smart to walk away now. He (or the LPC) can then claim in 2028 that while PM he successfully negotiated trade deals with Trump, such as the CUSMA, and that Poilievre as PM had much less success (if true, we'll see) against the same Trump.

 

[jje1000]

Must Read:

I wonder if things would be different in terms of policy and direction if Gerald Butts was still principal secretary, or if people magically lose their senses when they enter the Prime Minister's inner circle.

The Ballad of Justin and Chrystia

Trudeau II: Act V, Scene i

geraldbutts.substack.com

No thanks, Gerald Butts is the Rasputin behind Trudeau, and involved in a good number of the now-failed Liberal policies that have led to their current predicament. Hopefully he will no longer be part of Provincial or Federal politics beyond the end of the Trudeau government.

 

[Northern Light]

I believe there is much more concentration is the ownership of production facilities; i.e. 'dairies' than the farms, both here and in the US.

I find it interesting that the US industry is largely unprofitable (and therefore assumingly subsidized) yet the US clings to the myth that their ag industry is a free market success vs our evil 'government controlled' industry.

The great American Strategic Cheese Reserve:

Why does the U.S. government have 1.4 billion pounds of cheese stored in a cave underneath Springfield, Missouri?

The government has been storing away cheese for decades.

www.deseret.com

1.4 Billion pounds of it, hidden underground below Springfield Missouri.

 

[Towered]

The great American Strategic Cheese Reserve:

Why does the U.S. government have 1.4 billion pounds of cheese stored in a cave underneath Springfield, Missouri?

The government has been storing away cheese for decades.

www.deseret.com

1.4 Billion pounds of it, hidden underground below Springfield Missouri.

My worst nightmare!

 

[jje1000]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1873833081133842669

https://twitter.com/x/status/1873831722342900207

It’s quite possible that Trudeau’s little holiday stint and its consequences may have effectively collapsed the Liberal party.

 

[Richard White]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1873833081133842669

https://twitter.com/x/status/1873831722342900207

It’s quite possible that Trudeau’s little holiday stint and its consequences may have effectively collapsed the Liberal party.

Personally I would love to see a Campbell style defeat here. It would banish Trudeau and his followers to the depths of history where they belong.

Only with a massive blowout will the LPC finally have their reckoning. Without complete and utter destruction, there will still be party stalwarts who tow the party line thinking they are doing amazing!

What annoys me right now is Charlie Angus stating he will not vote against the government because he does not like Pierre Pollievre. I am sorry but he should be tossed from the party for voting against the whip during such a pivotal vote.

 

[picard102]

Anyone who's voting to bring the house down knowing we'll get PP should be tossed from the country.

 

[Richard White]

Anyone who's voting to bring the house down knowing we'll get PP should be tossed from the country.

At this point, I would much rather have PP than Trudeau facing Trump.

I firmly believe that Trudeau as spineless as he is will give in to whatever demands Donald Trump is asking for. The LPC does not have Canadians best interests at heart and while the CPC may not either they at least have a backbone to stand up to Trump.

The lesser of two evils is the CPC right now unfortunately.

 

[Northern Light]

Personally I would love to see a Campbell style defeat here. It would banish Trudeau and his followers to the depths of history where they belong.

I think the current PM's government reached its Best Before date awhile ago...........

But there's no particular logic to me in the above statement. Why would reducing the party to say, 50 seats, deposing it from government, not result in a changing-of-the-guard just as much as reduction to 10 or fewer seats.

The statement seem to convey raw emotion over logic.

What annoys me right now is Charlie Angus stating he will not vote against the government because he does not like Pierre Pollievre. I am sorry but he should be tossed from the party for voting against the whip during such a pivotal vote.

I happen to think party whips have too much control in our system. I don't see why we even bother electing local MPs (or MPPs) when we expect them to behave as if they were trained seals, mindlessly doing whatever party leaders tell them and repeating their talking points.

I like both Charlie Angus and Nate Erskine Smith precisely because they demonstrate independent thought and have a backbone.

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For clarity, I don't want to see the U.S. system where legislative members seem nearly 100% independent at times, and only barely aligned with their nominal party.

A platform should have meaning, those who run on one, should generally be expected to support delivering it.

But there is space between the two extremes that's healthy.

Angus didn't run on a platform of voting down the current government, or an early election.

I see no reason to drum him out of the party for voting his view that whatever the flaws of the current government, those of the government in waiting are greater.

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I would not have a problem with Jagmeet removing Angus from a Critic's role if he felt this were an important vote.

But at the end of the day, I don't expect Charlie's take to be a difference maker here.

 

[Richard White]

Why would reducing the party to say, 50 seats, deposing it from government, not result in a changing-of-the-guard just as much as reduction to 10 or fewer seats.

Unfortunately, there are too many staffers that are drinking the kool-aid and too much admin support to effect change without the loss of official party status. It would take a major upheaval akin to a Campbell style defeat for the LPC to come to their senses.

Once they lose all the admin support and procedural backing that comes with official party status they will need to make some hard choices. Only then will they be able to fully understand the gravity of their defeat. That requires 11 or less seats in the house.

Nothing will change until they are left with nothing and have to do a post-mortem.

I happen to think party whips have too much control in our system. I don't see why we even bother electing local MPs (or MPPs) when we expect them to behave as if they were trained seals, mindless doing whatever party leaders tell them and repeating their talking points.

I like both Charlie Angus and Nate Erskine Smith precisely because they demonstrate independent thought and have a backbone.

During the 2017 NDP Leadership Election, Charlie Angus was at the top of my ballot and Jagmeet was at the bottom. Normally, I do like Charlie Angus.

I don't like PP anymore than the next person but at the present time, he is the best option out of all of them. I highly doubt Jagmeet will be any better than Trudeau and the BQ will never win the house. That leaves us with PP who despite being extreme at times is the best equipped to stand up to Trump.

I am not suggesting we go to a US style of voting where almost every vote is a free vote as that leads to problems.

Think of it this way, by voting to take down Trudeau he is putting the decision of who becomes the next PM into the hands of Canadians. If Canadian's agree with Charlie Angus then we will get either the NDP or LPC in power. If not, we will get PP in power.

In any case, it is not the responsibility of any one MP to chose the next PM however they may feel about them. There is a reason we have general elections.