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Ontario Flag needs replacing

The Star now has an attempt to discuss whether its

Time to give Ontario the flag it deserves

at this link:

As Ontario's flag turns 50, it's worth considering how we ended up with the current ensign and whether we should try again.

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This week, Ontario’s provincial flag is turning 50 years old.

Not that anybody noticed.

It’s hard to look at the Ontario flag, a knock-off of the old Canadian Red Ensign, and see anything uniquely Ontarian worth making a flap about.

But that’s the point of the provincial flag. It was designed as a reactionary response to the new Canadian maple leaf flag that Lester Pearson’s Liberal government introduced to replace the old Red Ensign. When Ottawa brought in the new Canadian flag, with its bold colours and distinctive maple leaf, supporters of the old ensign turned to the provincial government to give it a renewed life. Ontario’s Conservative government led by John Robarts adopted the flag on May 21, 1965 to bring back what Ottawa had removed three months earlier: a flag with a clear British connection.

It was a “revenge flag,†according to one MPP at the time, more representative of the political differences between Ontario and the federal government than an inspired symbol of the province. Of course, given the frosty relationship between Kathleen Wynne’s Liberal government and Stephen Harper’s Conservatives, the idea of a provincial “revenge flag†may seem like a fitting emblem for Ontario. But beyond this political dynamic, what does the Ontario flag really represent?

Not much, as it turns out.

The flag of Ontario never received much attention. The province’s legislative assembly spent less than a day debating the flag, a stark contrast to the protracted debate that choked the parliamentary calendar in Ottawa over the previous two years. Newspapers across the province made little stir about adopting an official provincial standard. People were tired of talking about flags and the opposition parties at Queen’s Park knew it. Both the Liberals and New Democrats decided not to fight Robarts’ proposed flag, and they supported it, albeit “unenthusiastically.†To complicate matters further, Manitoba also adopted a modified Red Ensign for its provincial flag in the same month, leading to enduring confusion over the two nearly identical provincial flags.

According to Robarts, it made sense for a province that had a tradition of strong attachment to British crown and institutions — captured in its official motto, “loyal she began, loyal she remains†— to want to retain the old flag. To a number of government MPPs, it seemed like a suitable tribute to the province’s “Anglo-Saxon heritage.†Critics, however, suggested that the flag was a symbol of “ancestor worship†that would not hold up in the future of the province. For a province with a growing majority of people form non-British backgrounds, did it really make sense to prominently emblazon the Union Jack on Ontario’s flag? How would future generations see themselves in the flag?

Today, 50 years after the adoption of new flags for Canada and Ontario, much of the motivations behind their designs have been forgotten. Ontario’s flag was created in a moment of political retribution, meant to preserve an imperial connection that few Canadians today would place much importance in. It was created with no consultation, no committee hearings, no solicitation for designs, no public debate, and with considerable political apathy — hardly a laudable legacy for one of the most visible symbol of the province of Ontario.

The 50th anniversary of Ontario’s official flag gives pause to consider whether the hastily adopted British ensign still suits the province today. More than anything, the complacency about the flag and the largely unnoticed passing of its anniversary reflects the weakness of provincial identity and the dimness of its symbols.

Is it worth celebrating the anniversary of Ontario’s flag? Probably not, but it is certainly worth asking why not.
 

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Many people who are nostalgic about Canada's old flag are dying off.

It is well time for Ontario's flag to change. Oh, and it was ranked 43rd out of 72 flags of the provinces and territories of Canada and states and territories of the United States: http://www.nava.org/flag-design/survey/state-provincial-survey-2001

With a new flag, perhaps it can score in the top 10, since the current flag fails on the originality and creativity part (especially given its similarities to the flag of Manitoba (and yes, Manitoba needs a new flag as well)). Perhaps the Ontario government can commission students (primary, secondary, and post-secondary), graphics designers, and everyone else to design the new flag.
 
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Perhaps the Ontario government can commission students (primary, secondary, and post-secondary), graphics designers, and everyone else to design the new flag.

If you want the worst flag possible, then sure. Otherwise, hire someone who knows what they are doing and call it a day.
 
The current flag of Ontario was not designed through any competition. The Canadian Red Ensign had been replaced by the current flag of Canada. The Premier of the time, John Robarts just wanted the Red Ensign, with the Ontario shield of arms "stapled" on. The other Ontario party leaders were too tired from the national flag debate to do battle. It's just a "flag of revenge" against the new national flag.

We need a "real" flag of Ontario now.
 
The current flag of Ontario was not designed through any competition. The Canadian Red Ensign had been replaced by the current flag of Canada. The Premier of the time, John Robarts just wanted the Red Ensign, with the Ontario shield of arms "stapled" on. The other Ontario party leaders were too tired from the national flag debate to do battle. It's just a "flag of revenge" against the new national flag.

We need a "real" flag of Ontario now.
We should. On an unrelated note, the concrete peacock in U of T needs to be renamed to someone who is not that reactionary.
 
I'd like to see:

- the field of the flag kept red, to give it some connectivity to the previous flag.
- A white cross to symbolize the loyalists and by extension loyalty.
- A stylized trillium that would symbolize nature and diversity
 
Here's my quick and dirty take on what I'd like to see. Having lived in Ontario my whole life, I just don't see green and gold as our colours. I've always thought of Ontario as red in contrast to Quebec's blue.

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From this link:

The Bermuda Red Ensign:
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The Isle of Man Red Ensign:
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Australian Red Ensign (until 1954):
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The first Canadian Red Ensign:
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The last Canadian Red Ensign:
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The Dominion of Newfoundland Red Ensign:
600px-Dominion_of_Newfoundland_Red_Ensign.svg.png


The Indian Red Ensign:
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The Manitoba Red Ensign:
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The Ontario Red Ensign:
800px-Flag_of_Ontario.svg.png


The New Zealand Red Ensign:
800px-Civil_Ensign_of_New_Zealand.svg.png


The South African Red Ensign:
800px-Red_Ensign_of_South_Africa_1912-1928.svg.png


I think it's time Ontario got its own unique flag.
 

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I think throw everything out, official colour and all, but keep the classic stylized trillium logo somewhere part of the new flag and start from there.
How about the stylized trillium logo in black, inside a white circle ("O" for Ontario), centered on a red field? Who could object to that?
 
I find it interesting that until 1965 Ontario apparently did not have a flag at all. I assume that the Province of Canada - and its predecessors - used the Union Jack but what was used between 1867 and 1965? Maybe we really don't really need a flag! (Though as all other Provinces have one, our bare flag-pole might look a bit odd :-> )
 

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