It's like you think that number's going to remain static at 5,300 if we let the virus run it's course. You lack the foresight to see that those numbers get *quite worse* if we aren’t taking precautions. Those death numbers are including all of the things we've been doing to date.
Without them, it means thousands of non-seniors dead. It means nearly a million young and previously healthy people over the age of 20 with long term or permanent disabilities (long covid). Would you like to permanently require weekly dialysis or a pacemaker, let alone less life-changing things like having erectile dysfunction or never getting your sense of smell back? Because that is happening in all age groups. Brain damage, heart/vascular damage, kidney damage.10% of people infected covid are showing permanent or long term disability.
We do so many things to prevent the other deaths you say "will happen anyway", so don't act like they just happen without interventions of their own. Doctors around the world recommend and have successfully used lockdowns in cases of severe outbreaks. Epidemiologists; Doctors of Public Health; The Medical and Scientific community who've spent their careers plus a decade in school working on this.
Did I say only wealthy people can afford to eat healthy? No.
Did I say that healthy eating is a privilege of wealth? Yes.
I didn’t actually “declare” it either as though it were some kind of debatable opinion. I provided you links to studies from three universities and a food security organization saying exactly that; that if you’re poor, it’s harder to eat healthy. When you have little money the choice of eating healthy becomes moot as you need to spend as little as possible per calorie or you will be hungry.
You ignore every bit of data to continue repeating a fallacious argument. “Japan’s got less of a problem because they eat healthy”. I don't know how many times you need to be shown there are a multitude of other, bigger factors to understand you're wrong on this; that your opinion doesn't hold water, period.
Frankly, you seem to know very little about Japanese culture, but also somehow believe you know that their culture *isn't* the reason why they're suffering less than we are. It makes the irony in your choice of screen names about as subtle as a high school band at the homecoming parade.
That much intention on having your opinion trump facts, figures and knowledge is not actually discussion, it's trolling. And claiming "I'm just having a discussion" is a pretty common trait amongst trolls.
Trolls are never welcome.
A deadly outbreak of COVID-19 has raced through a Barrie long-term-care home, claiming the lives of nine residents in 10 days and infecting more than 100 people, amid fears it could have been sparked by a coronavirus variant originating in the U.K.
The outbreak at Roberta Place was declared when a single case was found in a resident on Jan. 8. As of Sunday, there were 110 cases (62 residents and 48 staff members), according to local health officials.
Dr. Charles Gardner, the medical officer of health for the Simcoe Muskoka District Health Unit, acknowledged the spread was more rapid than in most COVID-19 outbreaks.
“The outbreak unfortunately has had a very rapid and high attack rate,” Gardner said in an emailed response to questions from the Star.
Gardner added that he issued an order to the home to accept aid from local physicians, hospitals and other organizations. The Canadian Red Cross has been brought in to help deal with the devastating outbreak, which had already infected 48 per cent of the residents and 38 per cent of staff by Sunday, Gardner said.
Barrie Mayor Jeff Lehman said he’s monitoring the situation closely.
“I’m extremely concerned with the situation at Roberta Place and am working today with public health officials to try to support them in getting more medical personnel to the home,” Lehman said in an emailed statement.
Gardner added that tests are being performed to see if any of the cases in the outbreak were caused by the so-called U.K. variant of the virus that causes COVID-19, which is believed to be up to 50 per cent more transmissible than the virus already in circulation.
“Testing is currently underway to determine if the U.K. or other variant strain is part of this outbreak. Having said that, we do know that there have been cases of variant strain already found in Ontario, and it would not be surprising if the variant strain is found in this outbreak,” Gardner said.
A spokesperson for Ontario Health Minister Christine Elliott called the prospect of outbreaks caused by the U.K. variant “very concerning.”
“Recent modelling showed that if community transmission of this variant occurs, Ontario could experience much higher case counts, (intensive care unit) occupancy and mortality,” said Alexandra Hilkene.
A spokesperson for the company that owns the Barrie home, Jarlette Health Services, said the company’s sympathy goes out to the families of the people stricken by COVID, especially those of the nine residents who died.
“Our thoughts and prayers are with the loved ones who cherished these lives,” said Jarlette’s Stephanie Barber. Barber added that 71 residents and staff of the home were vaccinated on Saturday.
One person working at Roberta Place, whose identity is being protected by the Star because they aren’t authorized to speak publicly, said remaining staff — and outside workers brought in to help — are overwhelmed and stressed.
“Every single part of a long-term-care home is overwhelmed in a situation like this,” said the worker, who argued that the military should be called in.
“These are worse numbers than some homes saw when the army was called in during the first wave. There simply aren’t enough resources at the local level to deal with something on this scale,” the worker said.
A spokesperson for Ontario’s minister of long-term care, Dr. Merrilee Fullerton, said Roberta Place is close to signing a “voluntary management contract” with a local hospital to ensure it gets help to deal with the outbreak
The spokesperson, Krystle Caputo, stressed that the first line of defence against COVID outbreaks is for people to stay home.
“The single most important thing Ontarians can do right now to protect our most vulnerable is to stay at home. As we continue our vaccine rollout, this is our best defence against this virus. We remain committed to doing everything we can, along with our partners, to help stabilize the home and have it return to normal operations,” Caputo said.
Seniors advocate Laura Tamblyn Watts said the outbreak shows that Ontario didn’t make enough changes in the operation of long-term-care homes after the first wave of COVID-19 last spring.
“We learned lessons, but most of them weren’t used,” said Watts, CEO of the advocacy group CanAge. Watts believes there were three key steps the provincial government should have taken.
“In the summer, there should have been mass training and hiring. In the fall there should have been mandatory rapid testing for anyone going in and out of long-term-care homes. And right now, we need paid sick leave. As long as there isn’t paid sick leave, there will continue to be outbreaks,” said Watts.
Seems the 7-day rolling average of daily cases has taken a hairpin turn downward in the last week here in Ontario.
We haven't seen a sustained hairpin in the charts yet.
The number of ICU patients is rising very slowly and the positivity rate is declining....and has been all week.
Maybe the anxious can breathe a bit easier....or nah?
No, in fact, the extrapolated numbers I posted a few pages back actually point out to you that if we let things go to a (liberal) 60% herd immunity over a year, based our current death rate 190,000+ people will die. That's almost double a normal year in Ontario.Obviously the number of deaths are still going to rise, but its NEVER going to rise more than people dying by other causes on a daily basis that are FAR HIGHER that don't get our leaders in a panic and the media keeping a running total of deaths everyday.
Lots of data.Is there actual data that shows a large number of people are indeed suffering long term significant side effects even after recovering from the virus? If so I'd genuinely like to see.
Many times more people suffer after effects from surviving a stroke, heart attack or some other ailment but again no one is losing their minds over that like they're doing with covid.
I agree that for an actual severe emergency, it requires extreme measures to stop it. I just don't believe that covid falls under that category. No one is saying it isn't a significant medical issue, but something that warrants this level of response to fight it? No, not in my opinion it doesn't.
Define 'poor'. Do you mean someone living in poverty in a modern western country or poor as in living in a very poor nation in Africa, South America, Asia etc?
Because if we're talking about a poor person living in Canada, between food banks and buying wisely, you most definitely can eat decently healthy.
I'm saying the Japanese have a healthy population in part because of diet, but also because they stay in decent shape and don't have vast amounts of their population being overweight and suffering from a variety of other issues because of poor lifestyle choices. This is why whether rich or poor, advanced or still developing, a country with a generally healthy, young population is mostly suffering far fewer covid deaths than those with older and/or less healthy populations like in the US.
If you disagree then can you please show me evidence that disproves this?
Again what does Japanese culture have anything to do with their government not telling their population to social distance and not gather in large crowds like they're still doing now even with declaring a state of emergency in parts of their nation?
Even the average Japanse person hasn't felt the extreme urge to do so of their own accord or shame others into doing so.
Most of my opinions ARE based on facts, figures and cold hard data which is why I don't understand why our leaders and experts are losing their minds over a virus that to date made up about 5% of all deaths in Ontario for almost an entire year compared to over 40,000 for heart disease and 60,000+ other deaths from other causes EVERY SINGLE YEAR in the province.
The facts show that hospitals have NEVER been and likely NEVER will be filled to the brim with covid patients and the stats show that the overwhelming number of deaths happen in a very small age group and a tiny percetage of Canada's entire population. Those are the facts that are indisputable to date and we should be making rational decisions BASED ON THOSE FACTS.
No, in fact, the extrapolated numbers I posted a few pages back actually point out to you that if we let things go to a (liberal) 60% herd immunity over a year, based our current death rate 190,000+ people will die. That's almost double a normal year in Ontario.
They're "losing their minds" because Covid itself is causing strokes and heart attacks (and brain, kidney, lung, liver, vascular damage). It's not an or, it's an *and*. Covid is making people very sick, even those who weren't sick to begin with.
For those with heart disease and other complications, it’s hastening death. Someone with congestive heart failure might have a good couple of decades left with treatment, Covid means a likely death.
As in, people living in poverty in North America. Didn’t bother to even glance at the studies, did you?
You’re moving the goalposts here. Using a food bank is not “being able to afford to eat healthy.” It’s depending on charity.
Japan reacted much faster (30+ days) from day zero than Canada did and has mask wearing when ill as a social norm. Two of the known major interventions for this virus were in place from almost day one.
Here's where it shows you’re outright lying and haven’t even bothering to read what you’re responding to (when I posted this before)
Yes, the Japanese government has told people to social distance and not gather in crowds. It's *literally* on the "New Lifestyle" information put out by Prime Minister Abe's office.
Read this, I dare you: https://japan.kantei.go.jp/ongoingtopics/COVID19Images/COVID19_NewLifeStyle.jpg
Again, my wife lived Japan for four years. If it weren’t for Covid, we’d have been in Japan this past year to visit friends. We are in regular contact with several Japanese people, and I can tell you your statements about what Japanese people think about Covid is way off base.
Facts figures and cold hard data?
You haven't posted a single link to any data yet. So far it's been a bunch of bunk and outright lies. Meanwhile I'm the one who keeps posting study data you willfully ignore.
Probably starting to feel the benefit of increase in social distancing post-Christmas. Encouraging, at least.New cases down substantially this morning, at under 2600.
Hospital/ICU basically flat, slight uptick in Vents.
Testing was lower yesterday (just over 40k)
As were vaccinations, at under 10k