unimaginative2
Senior Member
Exactly. Well said.
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Next Mayor of Toronto?
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Exactly. Well said.
W. K. Lis
Superstar
Ahh, for the days when Adam Giambrone quit the mayor's race. Why did Adam Giambrone quit? Must have been worse than Rob Ford's current predicament.
Fresh Start
Banned
Yes. I like my politicians to have minor personality flaws, but when it comes to the big stuff will put the best interests of the majority of Torontonians first and foremost.
In a CTV poll that asked that asked "Are you offended by Rob Ford's comments about immigration?" 86% VOTED NO! http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/lo...alkback_20100818/20100818/?hub=TorontoNewHome
Ford is saying what 80% of the over 14,000 voters did in the Toronto Star's recent online poll question about the Tamils. What Ford did over a decade ago on vacation before he ever became an elected politician is as irrelevant as whether Sarah Thomson remembered by how much she lost an election by in Hamilton all those years ago. Why aren't you outraged by Smitherman's known use of recreational party drugs (LSD? coke? heroin?) while a member of the Legislative Assembly of Ontario?
Fresh Start
Banned
Dirt that endears Ford to the armchair commentators sitting at home watching as the media tries to destroy him. Democracy in its truest sense allows for even an "unpopular" sentiment to be given airtime. One has nothing to lose by voting for Ford because his opponents have blown every opportunity to be credible and reliable. They have overtaxed us, taken us for granted, never listened to us, their voters, their employers! They never considered themselves servants to the public. They have acted like masters who are not accountable to the democratic process.
Gavin
Active Member
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1. LSD and heroin aren't "party" drugs. They're kind of the opposite of party drugs. Knowing when and where he did them, we can be 90% sure that he used coke and/or exctacy/MDMA...and if he went to rehab for it, then it's almost certainly the former.
2. The issue isn't that Ford smoked pot, it's that he lied about it. And then he lied about the DUI. Just like he lied about not being at the Leafs game when he drunkingly berated other fans and got himself kicked out. His first instinct is to lie and only when confronted with concrete proof does he "remember" what happened.
unimaginative2
Senior Member
That's the absolute Machiavellian brilliance of the ridiculous Conservative "Liberal Media" line. It means that Conservatives can do literally anything, no matter how bad, and their base will dutifully blame not the transgressor, but the "biased" media for having brought it up. I mean, conservatives these days can get away with literally anything and their base will simply blame the media for pulling the blindfolds off their eyes. I mean look at David Vitter!
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GraphicMatt
Looking forward to a FRESH START for Toronto
Fresh Start, please provide evidence that Smitherman used drugs after 1999, when he was first elected to the legislature.
http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/lo...rug_addiction_060512/20060512?hub=TorontoHome
http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/lo...rug_addiction_060512/20060512?hub=TorontoHome
unimaginative2
Senior Member
Wow.
Toronto has the lowest residential tax rates in the GTA. Do you even pay property tax?
Mystic Point
Active Member
Now the campaign is about the candidate's historic recreational drug and alcohol use.
What happened to the city? I guess it's no longer on the agenda for this election.
What happened to the city? I guess it's no longer on the agenda for this election.
Juan_Lennon416
Senior Member
In what order do you think the mayoral race will end?
MetroMan
Senior Member
I think that Ford's supporters are loud (just like him) but I doubt he will finish any where near the top when the 32% of Torontonians who are still undecided cast their ballots.
I think that Pantalone will gain traction and will either win or come in 2nd.
Unless something dramatic happens (a top candidate drops out) I predict:
1 - Mayor Joe
2 - Smitherman
3 - Ford
4 - Thomson
5 - Rossi
I think that Pantalone will gain traction and will either win or come in 2nd.
Unless something dramatic happens (a top candidate drops out) I predict:
1 - Mayor Joe
2 - Smitherman
3 - Ford
4 - Thomson
5 - Rossi
nfitz
Superstar
Why are you making up stories? I've never seen a report that he used drugs while a member of the Legislative Assembly.
We all know that Rob Ford is a pathological liar. Why are you emulating him?
Why are you supporting a gay-bashing immigrant-hating pathological liar? Are these qualities that you think the mayor of the largest city in Canada should possess?
Perhaps the solution is that Rob Ford should change his name ... get a fresh start ... and start his campaign again.
Fresh Start
Banned
Wow indeed. The polling numbers are just not in working in other candidates' favour. They have had months to define who they are but the populace is not buying in. The Ford supporters have definitely decided and are strong in their support and are determined to show up at the poles to cast their votes. They want change, they will get change. Their drive for change is unwavering. Odd that the 4 others candidates are ganging up to oppose Ford but offer nothing in their platforms but more of what Toronto has already had.
The low property tax myth has to end. By measuring property tax against assesment it looks like Toronto has low rates, but it doesn't. Because of the high cost of property, the market value in Toronot is considerably higher than anywhere else in Ontario. There is only one base against which tax, any tax, should be meaused and that is income. On this measure Toronto doesn't come out so well.
nfitz
Superstar
To some extent you are correct, and this does mitigate the extreme difference in rates. However even take an average Toronto house, and compare to an average (pick your city) house, the total amount paid per year in Toronto is lower than almost every over 905 city.
This is because of Toronto's policy of shifting the tax burden from residents to business. But these days, even the left-wingers on council agree that it's gone a bit far, and tax rates have been rising for residents in Toronto, and dropping for businesses.
Surely, as a right-wing businessman, Rob Ford is more likely to increase residential tax rates, and decrease business tax rates faster than any of the other candidates. And quite frankly, this would be a reason to support Ford ... because residents will pay more tax.
Not that he has a hope in hell of ever being elected ...
Fresh Start
Banned
Now we both know that the source of the allegation that he was using in 2001 isn't exactly credible, but still I have my doubts as to whether Smitherman stopped as cold turkey as he has claimed. But your quote there now makes me question whether Smitherman is even psychologically fit to be our Mayor?