New Land Transfer Tax

[Admiral Beez]

3cp1, would you be willing to take a 20% pay cut? Honestly. Think about it before you answer.

This happens all the time in private business. If the corporation is failing under heavy cost burdens, payroll must be and is often cut, otherwise the corporation closes and everyone's out of work, or the production/service moves offshore.

For example, Northwest Airlines due to financial pressure is demanding that its pilots take a 20% paycut, taking them back to 1996-levels.

 

[unimaginative2]

You just now figured that out? From its onset, I'd wager to guess that the majority of folks here at UT are still in university or recent grads with below average incomes (and hating the MAN for their lot in life)

It seems to me a lot more like the certain right-wingers who hate "liberals" and assorted other groups for their lot in life. The forum's plentiful lefties seem to be pretty happy. I always feel quite sorry for the people who fire up message boards and editorial pages with hysterical right-wing rants about liberal conspiracies. They seem to be incredibly unhappy with their lives. Several who I've encountered are actually public sector workers, of all things, who are extremely depressed and ashamed of their role. Others are poorly-paid private sector workers who prefer to blame government or even poorer people for "leeching" off their meagre paycheques.

 

[3cp1]

3cp1, would you be willing to take a 20% pay cut? Honestly. Think about it before you answer.

If I was a high school dropout making $46,000 plus 23% benefits in a job I could never get fired from with a gold-plated pension, I'd be thanking my lucky stars. Other high school dropouts make $8/hour with no benefits flipping burgers. The union has succeeded in giving low skill workers upper middle class incomes. To make matters worse, the white collar workers are inefficient and the bureaucracy is bloated. Just ask anyone who has had to deal with city staff for anything.

When companies are in financial trouble, they reduce staff, sometimes reduce pay and/or benefits and increase productivity. This seems to be a foreign concept to the city. Productivity and accountability are dirty words for the municipal government.

 

[Admiral Beez]

It seems to me a lot more like the certain right-wingers who hate "liberals" and assorted other groups for their lot in life.

I think those at the extremes of either leaning are generally unhappy.

 

[unimaginative2]

You're right, certainly once they get past a certain age. Young socialists tend to feel pretty good about themselves.

 

[lordmandeep]

i was very liberal but i have changed.

Socialist are just pot smoking idealists. They always want something perfect and ignore what goes around them. Like whats going on at city hall.

 

[CDL.TO]

Lots of fun generalisations being tossed around in this thread.

 

[lordmandeep]

Lots of fun generalisations being tossed around in this thread.

true but city hall proves my own generalizations to be correct.

 

[Hydrogen]

If I was a high school dropout making $46,000 plus 23% benefits in a job I could never get fired from with a gold-plated pension, I'd be thanking my lucky stars. Other high school dropouts make $8/hour with no benefits flipping burgers. The union has succeeded in giving low skill workers upper middle class incomes. To make matters worse, the white collar workers are inefficient and the bureaucracy is bloated. Just ask anyone who has had to deal with city staff for anything.

When companies are in financial trouble, they reduce staff, sometimes reduce pay and/or benefits and increase productivity. This seems to be a foreign concept to the city. Productivity and accountability are dirty words for the municipal government.

Whatever.

You still did not answer my question.

Would you take a 20% paycut?

Same question to Admiral Beez. Would you take a 20% paycut?

 

[lordmandeep]

no need. Stop Pay hikes and stop hiring people.

 

[Hydrogen]

Yes need. I want to see if people can live by what they demand of others.

 

[Pep'rJack]

Sure its not fair, but it needs to be done.

we all know socialism doesn't work unless we send like 70% of our income to the govt.

Socialist are just pot smoking idealists.

city hall proves my own generalizations to be correct.

lordmandeep rocks - I demand more lordmandeep!

I want to see if people can live by what they demand of others.

You clearly understand nothing of right-wing ideology: it's *always* about demanding things of others that one would never succumb to oneself. The poorer and hence more worthless said others are, the better.

 

[lordmandeep]

Yes need. I want to see if people can live by what they demand of others.

Its a good phrase but don't think its always true.

If the demands of the workers start to affect the services provided to the people (city residents), who's demand are truly more important.

A group of unionized workers or the people???

society should be fair to all, but in reality it must be unfair to some to function properly. I don't like it at all but its reality.

 

[3cp1]

Whatever.

You still did not answer my question.

Would you take a 20% paycut?

Same question to Admiral Beez. Would you take a 20% paycut?

If I worked for an entity on the brink of financial ruin (ie. City of Toronto), and I was obviously overpaid and underworked (ie. city workers) then yes.

 

[Admiral Beez]

Same question to Admiral Beez. Would you take a 20% paycut?

No. I would quit and take my skillset elsewhere, where I would negotiate a fair salary - of course hoping it would be equal or better than my gov't paycheque. The overpaid city workers are welcome to do the same.

Look, the piggybank is dry, the city corporation has no money left. It's time raise revenue and/or cut expenses (in the city's case this means a property tax rate hike to match the GTA cities and a reduction in payroll). This is what all corporations must do.