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New Bike Lanes on University, Bay, Spadina, and Other Roads

js97:
Has it? Where did you get this observation from?

AoD

Same way I've observed the increase of cyclists... Driving around the city the last 10-15 years?


js97:


Great idea - I suppose the proponents can count on your support when the time for that comes, no?

AoD

Absolutely, if a study can show that it will provide a net benefit to this city and relieve congestion.

I'm not fighting an ideological war, I want less congestion, but I don't believe removing a a lane will bring this type of progress.
 
Wow, is that the same source that's been quoted to ensure property taxes has been in 'line' with inflation?, during a period where interest rates has been non-exisitent?

Are you guys all seconded members working on Pantalone's campaign team??

Why would cycling and advocating better cycling infrastructure be a partisan activity? In the UK prominent Conservatives such as David Cameron and Boris Johnson are cyclists.
 
Same way I've observed the increase of cyclists... Driving around the city the last 10-15 years?

Funny, unless you were omniscient, I have no idea that your observation at a singular moment in time translate into a certain statement that auto traffic from the burbs has increased 10-15% - and I didn't even bother to ask how you come to the conclusion that this increase is from vehicles from the suburbs.

Absolutely, if a study can show that it will provide a net benefit to this city and relieve congestion.

Actually you said that in order to increase the benefits and reduce the bottleneck effects, it should go even futher. Thank you for stating the benefits. And for the record - if you want to "relieve congestion", perhaps you should start by asking your fellow drivers and yourself to park your car. That is the cause of congestion. Oh and yes, efficiency... I completely forgot about THAT issue.

AoD
 
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I have no desire whatsoever to be able to cycle around the city, but I think we should have the option available for those that do. However, I don't think cycling will ever become a main mode of transportation in Toronto (as a percentage of commuters, let's say) because of our climate. Holland doesn't get Canadian winters.
 
OT:

I don't think cycling will become the preferred mode of commuting for most in winter - but I think there is plenty of space for it fill in certain parts of one's transportation needs - e.g. to and from transit, short distance chores type of travelling, etc.

AoD
 
I agree. I guess I'm just trying to manage people's expectations here. It's only going to receive so much attention, support, funding, and so on because it's not a viable four-season option for most people. (Hard-cores notwithstanding.)
 
I biked 12 km today, if that's what you're asking. So did my mother.

How was your mother's day, Spider?

My wife and I visited my mother's grave and then proceeded to the local mall where my wife is working on her wheelchair navigation skills. Thanks for asking.
 
My wife and I visited my mother's grave and then proceeded to the local mall where my wife is working on her wheelchair navigation skills. Thanks for asking.

And you even found the time in your busy day to come here to ask why there hadn't been any pro-bike messages in almost 18 hours. How sweet.

Which brings up the obvious question: why do us non-wheelchair users have to continue being exhorted our tax dollars building wheelchair accessible sidewalks, transit, and buildings? I don't see many wheelchairs rolling around during a winter blizzard, do you?
 
And you even found the time in your busy day to come here to ask why there hadn't been any pro-bike messages in almost 18 hours. How sweet.

Which brings up the obvious question: why do us non-wheelchair users have to continue being exhorted our tax dollars building wheelchair accessible sidewalks, transit, and buildings? I don't see many wheelchairs rolling around during a winter blizzard, do you?

Nominating this for Post of the Year.
 
Wow, is that the same source that's been quoted to ensure property taxes has been in 'line' with inflation?, during a period where interest rates has been non-exisitent?

Are you guys all seconded members working on Pantalone's campaign team??

Page 7
http://www.jpint.utoronto.ca/PDF/MMM_Cordon_ExecSum.pdf

The only screenline that showed a decrease for both the total
count period and the combined peak period was the Central
Area Cordon. The Central Area Cordon experienced a
decrease of 11% during both the combined morning and
afternoon peak period and the total count period
 
Newsflash: People like cars
So why not offer incentives to carpoolers? And while you’re at it, kill the University Ave. bike lane trial

By Gordon Chong, Guest Columnist
Last Updated: May 10, 2010 10:35pm

Save Transit City, build subways, build more bike lanes, build HOV lanes, build HOT lanes and levy tolls!

Transit and transportation have generated a lot of heat and ink with no end in sight as they have moved to centre stage in the mayoralty campaign.

Improving public transit and reducing congestion are worthy public policy objectives, but is it worth all the angst, hysteria, hyperbole and righteous indignation ?

Improved public transit is critical for the transit-captive poor who are car-deprived.

However, I would wager even they would prefer to get around in their own vehicles — unless they live and work near a subway line.

Why? Freedom of mobility! Our self-interest motivates us to want to retain some measure of control over our lives in a world where it is diminishing daily. We don’t really yearn to get squeezed into crowded public transit.

Most people, rich or poor, fantasize about cars.

Just look at the media advertising, or note all the nouveau riche who used to ride bicycles in mainland China now drive fancy cars and are clamouring for more, despite the congestion.

Maybe cars should be radically downsized, as well as less expensive and more environmentally friendly. They could be called POVs (personal occupancy vehicles).

Short of that fantasy or building subways everywhere, what else can be done?

Why not incentivize people to carpool and vanpool even more, like an organization called Smart Commute is already doing?

Why not legalize and incentivize entrepreneurs to operate minibuses? After all, vans and minibuses most closely replicate the comfort, convenience and flexibility of the SOV (single occupancy vehicle).

Come to think of it, so do bicycles!

Hard-core cyclists and some of their snide supporters must fantasize about their own network of bicycle paths that would rival the road network — not a bad goal if approached in a sensible fashion. Cyclists have a lot in common with drivers.

Both want control!

Cyclists want to go where they want — even the wrong way on one-way streets and on the sidewalk — when they want — through red lights and stop signs.

I’ve even seen cyclists at 6 a.m. flying down sidewalks while decked out in helmets!

No matter how grandiose their fantasies, it doesn’t justify bike lanes on major arterials. It also doesn’t excuse the dismissive arrogance toward taxpayers with opposing views at public venues.

As for the University Ave. pilot: Mothball it!

We don’t need another pilot. We have dozens of them every spring, summer and fall. They’re known as lane closures for road repairs.

Competent professionals can measure the delays and extrapolate them to lane removals for potential bike lanes. Then they’ll have the required metrics for an informed debate.

There is another decades-old pilot on Bay St. beside Toronto City Hall. The curb lane is supposed to be reserved for buses, taxis and bicycles between 7 a.m. and 7 p.m. on weekdays.

It is clogged with cars every day because the restrictions are not enforceable due to the natural spillover of north-south traffic from other routes. What conclusions have been drawn?

I spent the first 30 years of my life south of St. Clair Ave. I was a cyclist as a teenager until I ran into a couple of car doors.

I spent the following 30 years of my life sleeping in North York but working in downtown Toronto.

Toronto is not, and not likely to be, a bicycle town.

In order to improve traffic flow for drivers, cyclists and transit users, greater use must be made of ITS (intelligent transportation systems).

Long-term, we should be striving to put public transit underground. It lasts longer and frees up road space for bikes, cars and pedestrians. Even LRT is better underground than above-ground.

Switches and doors do freeze.

And, removing just 10% of the cars from the roads will have a measurable visible impact.

Work with human nature, rather than against it and let’s discard the moralizing and zealotry.

— Chong is former chairman GO Transit & Vice-chairman TTC
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Chong must hail from that bygone era long before the socialist takeover.
 
I say put tolls on bike lanes and tolls on highways for cars...

charge double for fixed gear bikes though...
 
Not much argument among transit users that subways are the best, but we can't afford them. Next suggestion?
 
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Not everyone does. It depends. Sometimes I prefer the car, sometimes I prefer to walk, sometimes I prefer to bike, sometimes to take the subway or the streetcar. It depends on the situation. There are no absolutes.
 

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