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Monorail for Toronto

Second_in_pie said:
Actually, I think Maglev could have significant benefits because of the much higher start/stop times and controllability of maglev on the trains. Though that said, those benefits could probably come with other, easier systems.

Quebec City-Windsor definitely requires TGV, and if not now, it definitely will in 20 years, as Montreal alone surpasses 5 million people and the GGH over 10. I'm not really sold on maglev though.
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I agree. Both systems have their advantages and their disadvantages. The grade-separation would be an asset (meaning being elevated), but in a lot of cases would be overkill. I just think having a GO system that would truly be high speed and could be integrated with a national (or inter-regional) high speed rail network would be very advantageous.

I think in the next 20 years we should have at least 3 high speed rail corridors operating in Canada: Quebec City-Windsor (with the triangle up to Ottawa), Calgary-Edmonton, and Vancouver-Seattle.
 
gweed123 said:
I agree. Both systems have their advantages and their disadvantages. The grade-separation would be an asset (meaning being elevated), but in a lot of cases would be overkill. I just think having a GO system that would truly be high speed and could be integrated with a national (or inter-regional) high speed rail network would be very advantageous.

I think in the next 20 years we should have at least 3 high speed rail corridors operating in Canada: Quebec City-Windsor (with the triangle up to Ottawa), Calgary-Edmonton, and Vancouver-Seattle.
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I would say 2 3/2 HSR corridors: Quebec City-Windsor and Calgary-Edmonton; and Vancouver-Seattle, Toronto-New York, and Montreal-Boston, which would have major portions in the US. If we don't have that in 20 years, it'll be quite sad. Quebec City-Windsor and Toronto-New York would have huge benefits to the Go network if trains could use HSR infrastructure or if all the rail infrastructure was improved. But by that time, there should already be serious go improvements such as major electrification, and track work to allow for higher speeds and uninterrupted train movement.
 
The 407 took 10 years to build. Why do you think a HSR/TGV could be built inside 20 when it's not even on the radar politically speaking. It's like saying if I'm not a millionaire in 20 years, it'll be quite sad.

If by HSR you mean 200 Kph+, we aren't far off that now. But tell the people living next to the rail corridor that they have to move because the train can't make as sharp a corner is going to garner long-term antipity. I'm not saying not to do it, but a detailed approach is needed and a new corridor makes much more sense.
 
latest................Pune India {about 6 million} has just put out to tender a new 52 km Monorail system to be completed by 2016.
According to the Indian Express it is the latest to announce a large new Monorail expansion. The Indian gov't has now OFFICIALLY stated that due to price, time of construction, high pphpd capability needed to service India's large cities it will be the peffered technology for all mass rapid transit iniaitives for transit funding There are now 24 Indian cities that are planning to build Monorail systems. Delhi has stated that it's Metro system will continue to be expanded but with new lines Monorail will be it's prefered technology due to being considerable more cost effective than elevated Metro.
This is way ahead of the curve and reinforces the idea that Monorail is the transport of the future and that Monorail manufacturers are long term viable business. Scomi, Hitachi, and BOMBARDIER now have plans to open new Monorail manufacturing plants in India.
latest............Toronto after 20 years of study will get a whopping 8km subway extension of 8 km by 2016 at a cool $300 million per km.
Which country is the forward one looking again? I forget.
 
Please, leave the guy from B.C. who thinks he's an expert on Toronto transit alone. Leave him to his Monorail delusions.
 
You know what else is great about India? All their movies have singing and dancing in them. That's delightful. Can you imagine your life in India. There'd be elaborate musical dance numbers in the streets and then everyone would hop on the monorail and head on home.
 
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"Mommy, no. I don't want to jump!" :(
 
Second_in_pie said:
I would say 2 3/2 HSR corridors: Quebec City-Windsor and Calgary-Edmonton; and Vancouver-Seattle, Toronto-New York, and Montreal-Boston, which would have major portions in the US. If we don't have that in 20 years, it'll be quite sad. Quebec City-Windsor and Toronto-New York would have huge benefits to the Go network if trains could use HSR infrastructure or if all the rail infrastructure was improved. But by that time, there should already be serious go improvements such as major electrification, and track work to allow for higher speeds and uninterrupted train movement.
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To that I would also add Toronto-Chicago, and Montreal-New York.
 
Fantomex said:
There's no need for you to be insulting, sir/madame. Yes, ssiguy2 can come on a bit strong, but you can object without making a nasty insinuation on his personal life.
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He referred to "Miller's socialist book". Enough said.
 
Barcelona Metro

Barcelona Metro: 120 new stations in 5 years...
of course Barcelona is much richer and civilized than Toronto.

Tomorrow's Metro
In 2001, the Barcelona Metropolitan Transport Authority (ATM) laid out its plans (Pla Director d’Infraestructures 2001-2010) for expanding and upgrading city transit service over the following decade. The flagship of the PDI is the new line 9 (L9). Currently under construction, it will be the longest and most advanced metro line operating in Europe upon its planned inauguration in 2009.

In designing L9, the TMB sought to create a seamless link from the airport in the southeast, through underserved neighborhoods in the east, and finally into northern suburbs such as Badalona. The L9 will also connect to the future TGV/metro hub being constructed at the Sagrera station, and is expected to transport 90 million passengers annually. Line 9 will comprise 46 stations serviced by a long central line that branches north and south at both ends. The line is being constructed at extra low depths, and in some points above street level, as not to interfere with existing underground lines. The TMB has used the world's largest Earth pressure balance shield borer, featuring a drill diameter of 12 m, to create portions of the path of L9. City residents and visitors can now witness the Herculean construction efforts underway at future L9 stations throughout the city, where high-speed elevators will shuttle metro passengers to and from train platforms.

The system is slated for several other expansions, including lengthening of line 1 at both ends, extension of line 5 to the Vall d'Hebron Hospital, and extension of line 2 from St. Antoni to the fledgling business district of Zona Franca. By 2010, the Barcelona Metro will include seven lines servicing 150 stations (not counting the FGC), and will span over 120 km. The TMB has also planned upgrades for carriages and stations, including driverless operation for all lines and total accessibility for all passengers at all stations.

The Barcelona Metro has been serving city residents for more than eight decades and is on track to becoming one of the most sophisticated and user-friendly in the world.

http://www.citymayors.com/transport/barcelona_metro.html

http://www.barcelona-tourist-guide.com/en/maps/barcelona-metro-map-printable.html
 
The Bombardier Monorails have significantly thinner pillons than standard Monorails. Monorails are FAR easier to build than LRT due to most of the system can be built off site.
I would strongly resist any type of elevated system downtown but once out of the core they are excellent for rail ROW and going thru industrial areas were essthetics are not a problem. Another advantage is that Monorail can have at grade stations were feasible due to their ability to make far sharper curves and ability to negotiate far higher grades than LRT, subway, or even SkyTrain.
Toronto has many rail lines which are used by GO but none that are used by the TTC itself.
 
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