miWay Transit

[lastcommodore]

I'm surprised the transit numbers are higher in Mississauga than Brampton. Maybe that is helped by the Lakeshore line.

The Milton Line actually. Probably 2 or 3 times the ridership of the Clarkson and Port Credit stations.

Based off 2023 numbers (If you want to extrapolate to 2025 numbers, add 50%)

LSW, Port Credit + Clarkson: 3,650,550 boardings + alightings (+901,716 if you include Long Branch)
Milton, Dixie + Cooksville + Erindale + Streetsville + Meadowvale + Lisgar: 2,211,283 B+A (All of this is less than Clarkson alone at 2,336,591 riders!)
Kitchener, Bramalkea + Brampton + Mt. Pleasant GO: 3,812,967 B+A (+638,623 if you include Malton)

 

[doady]

I was talking about average weekday boardings, not annual boardings, because the transit mode share numbers are for commutes only. Of course Milton Line is not going to have high annual boardings since there is no service outside of weekday peak hours.

 

[Dan416]

I was talking about average weekday boardings, not annual boardings, because the transit mode share numbers are for commutes only. Of course Milton Line is not going to have high annual boardings since there is no service outside of weekday peak hours.

Depends if you count trains only or trains + buses, because Milton definitely has off-peak bus service. And I realized Milton actually has better late night service than Lakeshore. I wasn't planning to be out too late last night, and I had taken Lakeshore, but I realized the last train back was at 12:47 am, whereas the last Milton bus is at 2:20 am. My car was at Port Credit, so I had to leave early to catch the 12:47 LW train.

 

[anb]

Depends if you count trains only or trains + buses, because Milton definitely has off-peak bus service. And I realized Milton actually has better late night service than Lakeshore. I wasn't planning to be out too late last night, and I had taken Lakeshore, but I realized the last train back was at 12:47 am, whereas the last Milton bus is at 2:20 am. My car was at Port Credit, so I had to leave early to catch the 12:47 LW train.

Actually they always run late night buses at the bus terminal up until 2-3am on each GO line after the final trains depart Union.

GO bus route 18 is the bus equivalent to the LW line, and there are buses at 1:05am and 2:30am at Union Bus Terminal that go straight to Port Credit first before going to the other stations west of it, all the way to Hamilton. And there's still the route 16 buses that go from Union straight to Hamilton non stop and it's an all day bus service. Overall, the LW corridor still has the higher ridership on both its trains and buses.

 

[doady]

Right, I forgot about the buses. Milton train around 31k per weekday, bus around 6k per weekday. Lakeshore West train 64k. Before COVID anyways...

Before the LRT construction, I preferred to take the 103 all the way down to Port Credit outside rush hour. They replaced the 38 on Britannia/Bancroft with the 37, then they cancelled the 37, so Erindale no longer a good option during rush unless I am willing to walk or transfer to 39/43.

So now I prefer to take subway. 5 to Long Branch was too slow before they took it off Ogden, I might try it again. 5 doesn't have 24 hour service though.

Btw, anyone else find it annoying the website doesn't allow you to see trips after 12am unless you set time as 11:55PM? If you set time to 12AM or later, you get no results.

 

[drum118]

I have been asked the last few days what my view were on having miWay and other transit systems uploaded to the Province Is the Province now taking a real look in doing this London UK model starting off with a few systems first??

I have stated that has been the goal since 2006/07 when Metrolinx was created that all GTHA systems would become the London UK model with all transit systems wearing the same uniform and all buses would be the same colour. Various routes would be tender out and run by X and be micromanagement by the cites with various operators saying what the headway will be for poor ridership routes. This will be union busting. York Region does this today with different operators on renewable timeframe contract and tendering.

The Atlantic City Jitney Association is done this way but may different today when I last saw it in 2014 and talking to various operators. No idea what part the city is having a say in this setup since Jitney services has bee around since 1915 . Some routes have been bought out other other operators. Bulk of service operate around rush hour service as well off peak, There used to be all nighttime service but the is well over a decade ago and the city is in a decline. They used to pickup and drop off riders at their home, There are no 30 or 40 foot buses with the buses been cutaway in various sizes. Back in 2014 a lot of those cutaways were non accessible.

Right, I forgot about the buses. Milton train around 31k per weekday, bus around 6k per weekday. Lakeshore West train 64k. Before COVID anyways...

Before the LRT construction, I preferred to take the 103 all the way down to Port Credit outside rush hour. They replaced the 38 on Britannia/Bancroft with the 37, then they cancelled the 37, so Erindale no longer a good option during rush unless I am willing to walk or transfer to 39/43.

So now I prefer to take subway. 5 to Long Branch was too slow before they took it off Ogden, I might try it again. 5 doesn't have 24 hour service though.

Btw, anyone else find it annoying the website doesn't allow you to see trips after 12am unless you set time as 11:55PM? If you set time to 12AM or later, you get no results.

Don't take the 5 as it runs every 30 minutes all day and longer on the weekends. 5 used to be 20 minute off peak and 10 minutes for peak service, Like you, I took the 103 to PC but ridership was very poor off peak and why it was cut back to the Queensway. LRT construction had nothing to do with the cutting of the route. The 103 headway took a spike as well and chase a lot of riders away or forced them to travel a better way like getting a car.

Even the 24 hour service has been down graded. As for trip planning, I agree with you on that as well it can offer some long walking to get to a bus route some 30 minutes away. There is a plan for a new trip planner with no timeframe when it will happen like the next bus system that started testing in 2022. Saw the system in 2023 and reinventing the wheel again. There are a few stops with the next bus system that work poorly. How about it saying the bus is two minutes away yet loading riders at the stop. They are too small and in the wrong location. Some systems in Europe and the US have the sign on the bus pole at or near the top considering there isn't a bus shelter there in the first place.

 

[MiExpress]

Don't take the 5 as it runs every 30 minutes all day and longer on the weekends. 5 used to be 20 minute off peak and 10 minutes for peak service, Like you, I took the 103 to PC but ridership was very poor off peak and why it was cut back to the Queensway. LRT construction had nothing to do with the cutting of the route. The 103 headway took a spike as well and chase a lot of riders away or forced them to travel a better way like getting a car.

Effective with the April 27 service changes, the route 5 weekday midday service will be increased from 30 minutes to 15 minutes resulting in the route having 15 minute frequency during the 'core' hours of 600a to 600p on weekdays.. Unfortunately, the late evening service is still stuck at 40 minutes.

Even the 24 hour service has been down graded

The 24 hour service has remained substantially the same since it was introduced back in April 2019, in fact it has recently expanded with route 1 having 24 hour service expanded to Friday overnights. The only reduction that has occurred in the 6 years of overnight service is reducing route 17 from 3 to 2 buses during the overnight period, but this was partly because the original schedule was far too generous and even with 2 buses they are able to maintain 30 minute frequency.