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I think it sends the wrong message too, that not having a car and getting on a normal bus is bad for the environment.
*rolls eyes*

- Living "car free", and opting to take the bus is no longer good enough.

- Living "car free" and riding on an electric, battery powered bus isn't good enough either.

- You have to live "car free" and ride trolley buses.

The goalposts keep moving.
 
January 5, 2026 service changes

10 Bristol
Cancel 2:41 northbound trip from CCT (school trip)

26 Burnhamthorpe
Increase weekday midday frequency from 16 min to 15 min (10b to 11b, +1)

35 Eglinton
Revised routing west of Tenth Line for two-way service on Eglinton Avenue, no longer serving Erin Centre Boulevard on eastbound trips

36 Ridgeway
New 458p southbound trip from Winston Churchill Station

42 Derry
Increase weekday midday frequency from 16 min to 15 min (9b to 10b, +1

61 Mavis
Increase weekday midday frequency from 16 min to 14 min (7b to 8b, +1)

71 Sheridan
Add 500p eastbound trip from Plymouth

109 Meadowvale Express
Increased frequencies all day of the week to meet new minimum standards for express routes

Weekday AM peak: Southbound oscillating frequency between 6 min and 12 min (no change). Northbound improve frequency between 600a-800a from 25-28 min to 15 min
Weekday midday: Increase frequency from 18-20 min to 14-15 min (8b to 11b, +3)
Weekday PM peak: Northbound oscillating frequency between 8 min and 12 min (no change). Southbound frequency every 15 min (no change)
Weekday evening: 16 to 18 mins (no change)
Weekday late evening: Increase frequency from 25 min to 20 min (7b to 8b, +1)

Saturday morning to 1000a: 22-24 mins (no change)
Saturday daytime 1000a to 700p: Increase frequency from 22-24 min to 20 min (7b to 8b, +1)
Saturday evening 700p to end: Increase frequency from 26 min to 20 min (5b to 6b, +1)

Sunday morning to 1000a: 25 mins (no change)
Sunday daytime 1000a-700p: Increase frequency from 30-32 min to 20 min (5b to 8b, +3)
Sunday evening 700p to end: 28-30 min (no change)
 
*rolls eyes*

- Living "car free", and opting to take the bus is no longer good enough.

- Living "car free" and riding on an electric, battery powered bus isn't good enough either.

- You have to live "car free" and ride trolley buses.

The goalposts keep moving.
I said taking a regular bus is good enough, which is why I don't support battery powered electric buses. Learn to read next time. Same to @Undead, @anb, @DirectionNorth and @T3G too.

UrbanToronto just becoming more and more a toxic place.
 
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Because batteries are terrible for the environment.
As opposed to the Orion/New Flyer/Novabus diesels polluting the environment for the last 20-25 years they've been running? Or the millions of ICE vehicles we have on the road regardless of buses?

BEB's have a larger carbon footprint up front, but their zero emission pays off when you reduce production of greenhouse gases operating them YoY as opposed to a diesel that produces GHG even after production. You operate that BEB long enough, the environmental footprint will be significantly less than a diesel that continues to operate on the road. ICE has the GHG's from the production process (including mining for materials), delivery process, and the operating process, BEB's have GHG's from the production process (including mining), and delivery. The operating process is zero emission.

With a grid dominated by fossil fuels from buses and passenger vehicles that have been operating for decades, saying batteries are bad for the environment while ignoring the other impacts that every ICE vehicle as well as the oil/fuel production process for ICE vehicles on the road has seems disingenuous.

I am very skeptical of battery powered electric vehicles with the impact of lithium mining and battery disposal. I think transit agencies should electrify with overhead wires or third rail instead. I think it sends the wrong message too, that not having a car and getting on a normal bus is bad for the environment.

It's fine to be skeptical. However, it also means that you have to look at both sides of the coin. Batteries aren't just disposed of, they're recycled for usable material and repurposed in many different ways. They can return to battery backups, other battery electric buses, and other devices that require lithium ion batteries. I haven't seen diesel being repurposed or recycled into anything.

If we're concerned about the impact of lithium mining without batting an eye at the scale that oil production is on, we're ignoring the environmental aspects and impacts of oil production as well. The reality is that everything has an environmental impact. We as humans have environmental impacts on everything we do. However, if we're going to sit there and say we're not going to hop on a battery electric bus because somehow the high ground is that the diesel buses already exist, we're ignoring that while the upfront GHG production of a battery electric bus is high, the YoY operation of the battery electric bus means that we can remove a diesel bus from fleet operation, and eventually work towards zero emission, as opposed to continuing to operating a diesel bus. That means that the BEB will take the spot of a diesel that can be removed from the fleet.

Overhead catenaries are going to take a significant amount of time for the procurement, construction, implementation, testing and other processes, while we can get battery electric buses that do either depot or stop charging today, and decommission a diesel bus today.

To your last point - The idea is that the amount of people on any of the buses takes someone off the road that would otherwise be polluting it with a GHG producing ICE vehicle themselves. It's pooling for instance 43 people into a bus, as opposed to each of those 43 people all having a vehicle. Carpooling shares the same idea. You're cutting down on emissions produced by picking up 4-6 people in your vehicle because you all work at the same building. You all commute together instead of each of you having your own vehicle. Now imagine doing that with a battery electric vehicle. Those people may as well be walking or running or riding the bike to work, but they're instead taking a bus that has zero emissions.

The point being made here is we need to be making fair comparisons instead of immediately saying x is bad, as if option y is the better, more environmentally friendly option.
 
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January 5, 2026 service changes

10 Bristol
Cancel 2:41 northbound trip from CCT (school trip)

26 Burnhamthorpe
Increase weekday midday frequency from 16 min to 15 min (10b to 11b, +1)

35 Eglinton
Revised routing west of Tenth Line for two-way service on Eglinton Avenue, no longer serving Erin Centre Boulevard on eastbound trips

36 Ridgeway
New 458p southbound trip from Winston Churchill Station

42 Derry
Increase weekday midday frequency from 16 min to 15 min (9b to 10b, +1

61 Mavis
Increase weekday midday frequency from 16 min to 14 min (7b to 8b, +1)

71 Sheridan
Add 500p eastbound trip from Plymouth

109 Meadowvale Express
Increased frequencies all day of the week to meet new minimum standards for express routes

Weekday AM peak: Southbound oscillating frequency between 6 min and 12 min (no change). Northbound improve frequency between 600a-800a from 25-28 min to 15 min
Weekday midday: Increase frequency from 18-20 min to 14-15 min (8b to 11b, +3)
Weekday PM peak: Northbound oscillating frequency between 8 min and 12 min (no change). Southbound frequency every 15 min (no change)
Weekday evening: 16 to 18 mins (no change)
Weekday late evening: Increase frequency from 25 min to 20 min (7b to 8b, +1)

Saturday morning to 1000a: 22-24 mins (no change)
Saturday daytime 1000a to 700p: Increase frequency from 22-24 min to 20 min (7b to 8b, +1)
Saturday evening 700p to end: Increase frequency from 26 min to 20 min (5b to 6b, +1)

Sunday morning to 1000a: 25 mins (no change)
Sunday daytime 1000a-700p: Increase frequency from 30-32 min to 20 min (5b to 8b, +3)
Sunday evening 700p to end: 28-30 min (no change)

Although small, (1-2m improvements in frequency, and 1 new bus each); seeing 3 routes move to every 15M or better for weekday, midday service seems like a substantial win.

The improvements to Meadowvale are also substantial, indeed, involve more buses too. Moving from every 18-20m, midday, to every 14-15 is nothing to sluff off. Psychologically, its still unfortunate to see frequencies up to 30M in some periods, I also really don't get the oscillating frequency AM Peak...

Overall though, good package. If we can see 4 or more service changes deliver similarly scaled improvements, it will be a good year for Miway.
 
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Although small, (1-2m improvements in frequency, and 1 new bus each); seeing 3 routes move to every 15M or better for weekday, midday service seems like a substantial win.

The improvements to Meadowvale are also substantial, indeed, involve more buses too. Moving from every 18-20m, midday, to every 14-15 is nothing to sluff off. Psychologically, its still unfortunate o see frequencies up to 30M in some periods, I also really don't get the oscillating frequency AM Peak...

Overall though, good package. If we can see 4 or more service changes deliver similarly scaled improvements, it will be a good year for Miway.
Some of the 109 buses are used in non peak direction for 70 and 108, and possibly the 43 too. So the frequencies cannot be constant.
 
As opposed to the Orion/New Flyer/Novabus diesels polluting the environment for the last 20-25 years they've been running? Or the millions of ICE vehicles we have on the road regardless of buses?

BEB's have a larger carbon footprint up front, but their zero emission pays off when you reduce production of greenhouse gases operating them YoY as opposed to a diesel that produces GHG even after production. You operate that BEB long enough, the environmental footprint will be significantly less than a diesel that continues to operate on the road. ICE has the GHG's from the production process (including mining for materials), delivery process, and the operating process, BEB's have GHG's from the production process (including mining), and delivery. The operating process is zero emission.

With a grid dominated by fossil fuels from buses and passenger vehicles that have been operating for decades, saying batteries are bad for the environment while ignoring the other impacts that every ICE vehicle as well as the oil/fuel production process for ICE vehicles on the road has seems disingenuous.



It's fine to be skeptical. However, it also means that you have to look at both sides of the coin. Batteries aren't just disposed of, they're recycled for usable material and repurposed in many different ways. They can return to battery backups, other battery electric buses, and other devices that require lithium ion batteries. I haven't seen diesel being repurposed or recycled into anything.

If we're concerned about the impact of lithium mining without batting an eye at the scale that oil production is on, we're ignoring the environmental aspects and impacts of oil production as well. The reality is that everything has an environmental impact. We as humans have environmental impacts on everything we do. However, if we're going to sit there and say we're not going to hop on a battery electric bus because somehow the high ground is that the diesel buses already exist, we're ignoring that while the upfront GHG production of a battery electric bus is high, the YoY operation of the battery electric bus means that we can remove a diesel bus from fleet operation, and eventually work towards zero emission, as opposed to continuing to operating a diesel bus. That means that the BEB will take the spot of a diesel that can be removed from the fleet.

Overhead catenaries are going to take a significant amount of time for the procurement, construction, implementation, testing and other processes, while we can get battery electric buses that do either depot or stop charging today, and decommission a diesel bus today.

To your last point - The idea is that the amount of people on any of the buses takes someone off the road that would otherwise be polluting it with a GHG producing ICE vehicle themselves. It's pooling for instance 43 people into a bus, as opposed to each of those 43 people all having a vehicle. Carpooling shares the same idea. You're cutting down on emissions produced by picking up 4-6 people in your vehicle because you all work at the same building. You all commute together instead of each of you having your own vehicle. Now imagine doing that with a battery electric vehicle. Those people may as well be walking or running or riding the bike to work, but they're instead taking a bus that has zero emissions.

The point being made here is we need to be making fair comparisons instead of immediately saying x is bad, as if option y is the better, more environmentally friendly option.
Oh, I just got a photobook, Spill, by Daniel Beltra. It's about Deepwater Horizon. If you want to see just how damaging oil production is, just check out those pictures. I also have taken pictures of Sarnia's oil refineries myself. In the case of battery, it is not just about production but also disposal of batteries.

Maybe the real question is not whether battery powered vehicles are better, but whether they are better enough to justify the extra cost. I just wanted to point out as you do there is still a cost, both environmental and financial, to battery powered vehicles. And of course, electricity from grid to power trolley bus, streetcars, subways might also be powered wholly or partially by fossil fuels. In that case, battery might actually be better than the grid, if battery is not charged during peak demand hours.

Just saying, one cannot fully replace the other. Bojaxs' argument that battery powered electric vehicles makes grid powered vehicle pointless seems untrue to me. But judging from all the people here that liked his mockery and strawman argument against me, it seems I am the only one.
 
Oh, I just got a photobook, Spill, by Daniel Beltra. It's about Deepwater Horizon. If you want to see just how damaging oil production is, just check out those pictures. I also have taken pictures of Sarnia's oil refineries myself. In the case of battery, it is not just about production but also disposal of batteries.

Maybe the real question is not whether battery powered vehicles are better, but whether they are better enough to justify the extra cost. I just wanted to point out as you do there is still a cost, both environmental and financial, to battery powered vehicles. And of course, electricity from grid to power trolley bus, streetcars, subways might also be powered wholly or partially by fossil fuels. In that case, battery might actually be better than the grid, if battery is not charged during peak demand hours.

Just saying, one cannot fully replace the other. Bojaxs' argument that battery powered electric vehicles makes grid powered vehicle pointless seems untrue to me. But judging from all the people here that liked his mockery and strawman argument against me, it seems I am the only one.
Electric Buses aren't ready for primetime yet - https://stevemunro.ca/2025/09/29/bus-reliability-ttc-reveals-uncapped-stats/

Personally fully supportive of the technology once it is good enough. In the meantime, the best thing for a transit system is the bus that works and for now that's diesel. If it was decided to put up lines for trolley, once completed it would likely be the case that battery tech was good enough to make the lines look like a waste of money. Maybe if the transit way was setup with power lines for trolley that could also be used for charging electric buses? I could see a potential use case there. I don't know if that makes sense for any of the transit routes though.

In Ontario, the electric grid burned stuff for 17% of electricity in 2024. I consider that close enough to carbon free so the day comes for battery buses, they will be powered from a mostly renewable grid.
 
When Woodbine GO Station opens, it could be an ideal terminus for a few Miway routes too. The 142 could be a good option.

It would be good too to improve transfers at Derry and Airport Road, which right now is a really hostile place to be despite all the bus routes passing by. Bigger shelters, queue jumps, and a better pedestrian access to the GO Malton platforms from the street could go a long way.
That would put some "four corners" sensibility back into what was downtown Malton.
 
Electric Buses aren't ready for primetime yet - https://stevemunro.ca/2025/09/29/bus-reliability-ttc-reveals-uncapped-stats/

Personally fully supportive of the technology once it is good enough. In the meantime, the best thing for a transit system is the bus that works and for now that's diesel. If it was decided to put up lines for trolley, once completed it would likely be the case that battery tech was good enough to make the lines look like a waste of money. Maybe if the transit way was setup with power lines for trolley that could also be used for charging electric buses? I could see a potential use case there. I don't know if that makes sense for any of the transit routes though.

In Ontario, the electric grid burned stuff for 17% of electricity in 2024. I consider that close enough to carbon free so the day comes for battery buses, they will be powered from a mostly renewable grid.
For TTC to present hybrid numbers capped at 30000km and diesel at 20000km is very weird. I don't know why a publicly funded agency would try to deceive people like that. Pressure from certain city council members? If Tesla did something like that, they would probably get sued...

Overhead wires are kind of antithetical to the Transitway concept, so batteries are the only way there. And the Transitway itself is still only ~50% complete so wires would not be permanent. They could add more charging stations or whatever infrastructure required for both new and existing sections of the Transitway easily.
 
Mississauga city staff are asking city council permission next week to expropriate land for the Dundas East BRT.
It will be interesting to see where they want the land for the BRT but behind close doors at this time..

The Four Corners area is not to be part of this request as it will be up to developers when they redevelop the site even if it means 2046+ and a pinch point of one lane of traffic each way until the sites are redevelop. Have said that, there is enough room on the north side of Dundas east of Hurontario to add another lane westbound with the exception of the CIBC building.

Until Four Corners are full two lanes in each directions, there will be no left turns off Dundas when the BRT is built there.
 

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