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Mississauga Takes Aim at Drive-Throughs

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From the Star:

Mississauga takes aim at drive-throughs
Jan 16, 2008 04:30 AM
Phinjo Gombu
STAFF REPORTER

The ubiquitous suburban drive-through is under attack in Mississauga.

Councillors have decided to send proposed planning guidelines, which could restrict the spread of drive-through restaurants, to the city's newly minted environment committee for review.

"I've always felt we had too many drive-throughs ... It's a problem," Mayor Hazel McCallion said yesterday. "I don't think we can ban them, but we certainly have to get them under strict control."

McCallion said she's tried to have them restricted in the past because of concerns over air pollution caused by idling cars and bad designs that put pedestrians at risk or cause a traffic nightmare.

But she's never had enough backing on council. This time, she has the support of newer councillors such as George Carlson, chair of the environmental advisory committee, and Carolyn Parrish.

The Mississauga guidelines, five years in the making and similar to those imposed by Toronto in 2005, could make it impossible to create drive-throughs on small lots because of required setbacks from homes and the street. They also frown on designs that force pedestrians to walk across drive-through lanes to get into the restaurant.

The guidelines say that where possible, access should be right turns in and right turns out only to avoid traffic backups on main streets.

The industry had balked at guidelines it deemed too restrictive if imposed citywide, so planners came up with a compromise, allowing the rules to be implemented on a site-by-site basis. "It doesn't mean we are watering down," said planner Andrew McNeil. "But it does give us some flexibility."

That flexibility doesn't sit well with Carlson and Parrish, who want the environment committee to take a look at developing actual bylaws.

The committee, with McCallion's backing, is also pushing to create an anti-idling bylaw similar to Toronto's, under which drivers who idle for more than several minutes can be ticketed.

Parrish has asked staff to study legal precedents for limiting or even eliminating drive-throughs, report on their locations and suggest strategies to lessen their effects. Staff didn't consider environmental issues when they drew up the guidelines, she said.

"It's a case where we have to show leadership," Carlson said. "It's not just an environmental issue. It affects the city's culture and streetscapes and is about what kind of city we want to build."

Rob Evans, president of the Ontario Restaurant Hotel and Motel Association, said yesterday his group had worked with the city on the guidelines. He also said they could pose challenges to members.

"We accept that we have to work with municipalities, be responsible to the environment and our customers," said Evans. However, he added, "any time a guideline or a rule or a regulation is introduced which distracts or reduces revenues and results in job loss, it is absolutely a concern to us."

Tim Hortons vice-president Nick Javor, who also worked with the city, said the company supports site-by-site application of rules instead of a blanket zoning bylaw.

"Every site has its peculiarities," said Javor. Customers, especially people with mobility problems and families with young children, have repeatedly told the company they appreciate the convenience of drive-throughs, he said.

He acknowledged that drive-through designs change over time. All Tim Hortons wants, he said, is to have input in future decisions.

Guidelines in both Toronto and Mississauga have arisen from situations where a particular location caused problems to residents.

McCallion decried one at Britannia Rd. and Hurontario St., where lineups sometimes back onto a busy street, and pedestrians are forced to dodge cars waiting in line.

In Toronto, the guidelines came about after a bitter fight by residents against a proposed McDonald's drive-through on St. Clair Ave. W. near Bathurst St., which ended when McDonald's withdrew its application. Toronto's guidelines encourage use of a pedestrian entrance via the sidewalk. The drive-through itself should have access from a small side street and exit onto a main street.

http://www.thestar.com/News/GTA/article/294369

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"We accept that we have to work with municipalities, be responsible to the environment and our customers," said Evans. However, he added, "any time a guideline or a rule or a regulation is introduced which distracts or reduces revenues and results in job loss, it is absolutely a concern to us."
Holy hyperbole!
 
So while Toronto has banned drive-throughs near residential areas (because of pollution, safety and urban concerns), Mississauga is mostly worried about traffic congestion associated with them. Interesting.

It seems that the intersection of two busy suburban roads is exactly the place where if you are going to allow drive-thoughs, you let them go.

Though I do hope it is part of a backlash against them. If this effectively makes drive-throughs much harder to be approved, then the reasons don't matter so much.
 
The Wendy's / Tim Horton at Hurontario and Britannia has become a bit of a problem. It has two drive-throughs, one for each restaurant. It has an entrance but no exit on Hurontario, so all exiting traffic goes out to Britannia. Most of it turns left across two lanes and causes traffic problems.

Drive-throughs can work, but there has to be enough room, and preferably only right-in, right-out traffic movement. Although it may be counterintuitive at first, the best location is mid-block, on a busy street.
 
So while Toronto has banned drive-throughs near residential areas (because of pollution, safety and urban concerns), Mississauga is mostly worried about traffic congestion associated with them. Interesting.

While it doesn't directly address environmental concerns, it will definitely limit and restrict the development of new drive throughs within the city. Staff now want to take it a step further and create more restrictions on them based on environmental concerns. Hazel has long been complaining about the pollution from idling cars in drive through lines, so its definitely not just a traffic issue.
 
The Wendy's / Tim Horton at Hurontario and Britannia has become a bit of a problem. It has two drive-throughs, one for each restaurant. It has an entrance but no exit on Hurontario, so all exiting traffic goes out to Britannia. Most of it turns left across two lanes and causes traffic problems.

Drive-throughs can work, but there has to be enough room, and preferably only right-in, right-out traffic movement. Although it may be counterintuitive at first, the best location is mid-block, on a busy street.

Wendy's has been a problem from day one.

Traffic gets backup when trucks and others park on the edge of the road while traffic is trying to get off Hurontario into the 2.

MT gets caught up in this more than before and gets delay up to 5 minutes outside of peak.

That whole intersection is a mess and is going to get worses when construction starts this year on the rebuilding of the 401 interchange.

It time to redo the mess and relocate everything around this intersection. Otherwise we will get gridlock all day.

I have sat in Wendy's to use it as a checkpoint for MT and watch what take place there yearly.

Drive-through's cannot be located at corners and they need more room than this one.
 
I know that Wendy's/Tim Hortons well - that site is way too cramped for the dual drive throughs and parking is also a pain in the butt there. At least the northbound buses stop in front, the southbound buses at Britannia stop half-way down the street in typical suburban bus bay layout, to avoid the Esso driveways.
 
Yes, that intersection is just a nightmare overall even without the drive-throughs and the reason why I avoid using the Britannia bus.
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The restaurant is a victim of its own success. It would be nice to see it relocated, but the chances of that are about nil.

Things at this intersection will get worse before they get better. We are going to have a rebuilding of the Hurontario / 401 interchange, and apparently Whittle Road is to be extended north of Britannia. This area will be chaotic for a good long while.
 
10 Years Too Late

This by-law is 10 years too late already.

That being said, I really can't think of any major intersection in Mississauga that has space for any new drive through style development.

As for Hurontatio and Britanna, let's keep in mind that when the first ever Wendy's - Tim Hortons in Canada opened some 10 + years ago at this intersection, it was all alone by itself and traffic was far from being an issue. During the last decade at least a dozen major new office developments have gone up around the intersection which has caused the major traffic log.

Louroz
 
This by-law is 10 years too late already.

That being said, I really can't think of any major intersection in Mississauga that has space for any new drive through style development.

Uhh... what about at Hurontario and Britannia? Then there's Creditview and Eglinton, and Hurontario and Eglinton...

So yeah there are quite a few. Even the ones that built out already will be redeveloped eventually, and now drive-throughs will not be allowed.
 
New Developments at Interesctions

Hurontario and Britanna already fall under the Upper Hurontario Corridor Urban Design Guidelines which forbids any type of Drive Through Style Development. This is the same framework that rejected the proposed new Wal Mart power centre at Hurontario and Derry.

As for Hurontario and Eglinton, there is a site plan for a massive new 30+ building development in the works.

I believe there is also a proposed medium density type development at Eglinton and Creditview.

Can you think of any more major intersections?

Louroz
 

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