News   Nov 28, 2024
Wallace Emerson Community Centre Growing Beside Galleria on the Park
 469     0 
News   Nov 28, 2024
27-Storey Tower on Queen West Proposed North of Future King-Liberty GO
 937     2 
News   Nov 28, 2024
Drone Flights Capture Sub-Grade Construction at Cielo Condos
 755     0 

Metrolinx: Presto Fare Card

nfitz said:
TTC subcontracted to Metrolinx to install the new fare system. This includes the machines at station stops. (the new faregates were a later TTC-funded add-on).

Read section 3.1.3.4 of the Presto-TTC Master Agreement (December 2012) about "Off-Board SRVMs (Single Ride Vending Machines), starting on page 190 (of 650). - http://www.metrolinx.com/en/projectsandprograms/presto/Executed_PRESTO-TTC_-_Master_Agreement.pdf

It starts out by saying that:
Off-board SRVMs are PRESTO Devices that allow Customers to purchase a LUM Single or Return trip that is used as Proof Of Payment. Customers may pay for their LUM using either coins or Credit/Debit bank cards. SRVMs do not provide change.​

LUM is limited-use media - i.e. the tickets they use now, and the paper single-use Presto tickets they'll have eventually.

So indeed, it is a Presto device, that doesn't take Presto cards. It sells tickets.
Click to expand...


hmm since the photo is from 2014, the context makes more sense. i just hope that the conversion is easy and cost effective.
 
nfitz said:
TTC subcontracted to Metrolinx to install the new fare system. This includes the machines at station stops. (the new faregates were a later TTC-funded add-on).

Read section 3.1.3.4 of the Presto-TTC Master Agreement (December 2012) about "Off-Board SRVMs (Single Ride Vending Machines), starting on page 190 (of 650). - http://www.metrolinx.com/en/projectsandprograms/presto/Executed_PRESTO-TTC_-_Master_Agreement.pdf

It starts out by saying that:
Off-board SRVMs are PRESTO Devices that allow Customers to purchase a LUM Single or Return trip that is used as Proof Of Payment. Customers may pay for their LUM using either coins or Credit/Debit bank cards. SRVMs do not provide change.​

LUM is limited-use media - i.e. the tickets they use now, and the paper single-use Presto tickets they'll have eventually.

So indeed, it is a Presto device, that doesn't take Presto cards. It sells tickets.
Click to expand...

This makes sense. Thanks
 
books said:
Last week I was taking the 510 Spadina when the streetcar I was on was short turned, I got off and waited for the next streetcar, tapped on and when I checked my account Presto registered that as a transfer, no problem!
Click to expand...

That is actual contrary to what is being communicated to customers

"What do I do if I use PRESTO and my streetcar has been short-turned?
If your streetcar has been short-turned, you will need to exit the streetcar you are on and wait for the next card to arrive. When you get onto the new streetcar do not tap your card."

https://www.ttc.ca/Fares_and_passes/PRESTO/FAQ.jsp
 
Tuscani01 said:
So last night I discovered that you can tap two people into Union Station with a single Presto Card. I was with someone who lost her card and had no cash, and I just had Presto. I simply asked if it was possible and the collector said yes and walked me to the single reader that allowed for a second tap - in all of the TTC apparently. I tapped the first reader, and then tapped on the second one and it deducted a fare for each tap without issue.

Edit: Just looked at my balance and it was actually just counted as a transfer. Weird.
Click to expand...

A technical glitch for it to be counted as a transfer, but also a failure to communicate how Presto works to TTC staff. Or the staff member screwed up.
 
cplchanb said:
this may be the result of a poorly written tweet. i can see nothing here that has anything to do with presto. i am surprised that they are still rolling out token machines. i thought they were capping new installations
and phasing them out. why waste the extra time to remove and reprogram when its already known it would happen shortly???
Click to expand...
The only new ones are going onto the new streetcars since Spadina and Queens Quay they haven't added any more to the system.
 
nfitz said:
It's interesting that none have appeared on any routes except 509/510 yet. They were supposed to appear on all routes.
Click to expand...
Not anymore they are now saying they were an interim solution well they didn't have presto on the older flett That plan stopped once they added presto readers to the rest of the streetcar fleet. Originally the plan was that only the new cars would have Presto.
 
EastYorkTTCFan said:
Not anymore they are now saying they were an interim solution well they didn't have presto on the older flett That plan stopped once they added presto readers to the rest of the streetcar fleet. Originally the plan was that only the new cars would have Presto.
Click to expand...

That has nothing to do with those machines. The machines being referred to in that comment are the SRVMs, which accept coins, tokens, and credit/debit cars to purchase single-ride cash tickets for the LFLRVs, which do not have operators to accept cash. They were to be installed off-board at many busier stops to allow more passengers to pay before boarding, rather than overwhelming the 2 on-board machines. These machines are not an interim solution as people will still need to be able to pay cash on the new streetcars--if anything, these machines become more necessary as more of the new streetcars enter service on more routes.
 
EastYorkTTCFan said:
Not anymore they are now saying they were an interim solution well they didn't have presto on the older flett. That plan stopped once they added presto readers to the rest of the streetcar fleet.
Click to expand...
What's it got to do with Presto? These machines don't take Presto. They sell single fares. What about the contract? It assumes 75 machines at stops.

EastYorkTTCFan said:
Originally the plan was that only the new cars would have Presto.
Click to expand...
No it wasn't. There are references to them putting them on all existing streetcars throughout the original 650 page master agreement.
 
Megaton327 said:
That has nothing to do with those machines. The machines being referred to in that comment are the SRVMs, which accept coins, tokens, and credit/debit cars to purchase single-ride cash tickets for the LFLRVs, which do not have operators to accept cash. They were to be installed off-board at many busier stops to allow more passengers to pay before boarding, rather than overwhelming the 2 on-board machines. These machines are not an interim solution as people will still need to be able to pay cash on the new streetcars--if anything, these machines become more necessary as more of the new streetcars enter service on more routes.
Click to expand...
Yes, if you walk around you may see the letters TVM painted on sidewalks near a few stops. I assume these will be locations for the Ticket Vending Machines - once they get the new versions working properly.
 
DSC said:
Yes, if you walk around you may see the letters TVM painted on sidewalks near a few stops. I assume these will be locations for the Ticket Vending Machines - once they get the new versions working properly.
Click to expand...
Ah ... I should pay more attention. Which street? (do you venture outside of King East? :) )
 
nfitz said:
Ah ... I should pay more attention. Which street? (do you venture outside of King East? :) )
Click to expand...
I sometimes manage to stagger away from King East :)->) and I saw some on King West and on Bathurst a few months ago but must say the ones I remember are at the SAS building on King @ Ontario- but they have gone because the City just laid new sidewalk! (I assume they still plan to put a TVM there but who knows!)
 
DSC said:
... but must say the ones I remember are at the SAS building on King @ Ontario- but they have gone because the City just laid new sidewalk! (I assume they still plan to put a TVM there but who knows!)
Click to expand...
At this point, I'm just hoping they might put in a pole with STOP written on it at that location. :)
 
This has been the status of the single presto machine in the TTC's busiest transit station for the least several weeks:

cE9aFXT.jpg


Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/toronto/co...oor_station_is_the_busiest_subway_station_in/
 
Last edited:
You must log in or register to post here.

Back
Top