ehlow
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Some of the new Presto reload machines in the subway stations are within the paid areas (ex. St Andrew). Which is kind of weird. I'm assuming there will always be one outside the paid area?
I have never noticed the one at St. Andrew inside the paid area...but there is definitely one on the non-paid side of the turnstiles (unless they moved it in the last week)Some of the new Presto reload machines in the subway stations are within the paid areas (ex. St Andrew). Which is kind of weird. I'm assuming there will always be one outside the paid area?
Quick update on CLRV/ALRV presto deployment per Brad Ross on twitter--on Sept 28 2015 he had tweeted, regarding the CLRVs/ALRVs currently equipped with inactive presto readers, "Will make those on cars today active in November- entire fleet end of year", i.e. while the deadline for full streetcar deployment is Dec 31, since it is a gradual rollout, they will flip the switch on those streetcars which happen to have them now sometime this month. I was looking around on twitter and saw somebody asked him when this month we can expect that and he indicated that plan might no longer be in effect. Now saying "Not all cars have readers yet, so a decision to be made about when to activate those that do. End of year is firm", and with regards to his earlier tweet saying it actually would hpapen, "We may still, I just don't have a date."
I see no need for such personal attacks. If a plan changes, that doesn't make someone a liar. Why make such a comment? It only either demontrates you don't know definition of what "a liar", or you have no hesitation to lie yourself.Someone is a liar -- Brad Ross said Presto would be activated ON THOSE STREETCARS THAT HAVE THEM IN NOVEMBER, and the rest of the fleet by the end of the year. Now he backtracks.
I wonder WTF is wrong with people too.\I often ask myself: "Wtf is with the TTC?"
Or else, someone will be making complaints to them that they are standing on Spadina and 3 streetcars in a row passed without a Presto Reader. Or that the Presto reader hasn't been activated yet, despite other CLRVs are turned on.
If it's in testing phase, it could well take the occasional payment, but they haven't announced it yet, so that people don't expect it will work. I doubt that minimum-wage clerks at Metrolinx's vendor have been briefed on the day-to-day location of where they are testing units.On another note, Presto tweeted me that the tap-to-pay debit/credit functionality at the SRVM on the Eastbound platform at Queen's Quay and Spadina has been fixed as of Nov 2 and "should work the next time you use it". Used it 4:09 PM today Nov 3 and once again, rejected both Interac and Visa, which are both working fine with tap at other merchants. This comes after they tweeted me earlier the same day that "open payment is not activated as of yet. We are still in the testing stages" which came after I used it successfully on 4405 and is definitely false. The jerking around/frequent incorrect replies, first that it is in testing and not activated (in which case, why does the machine say it's activated?) and then that it's fixed when it's broken in exactly the same way it was before, are really getting on my nerves.
I see no need for such personal attacks. If a plan changes, that doesn't make someone a liar. Why make such a comment? It only either demontrates you don't know definition of what "a liar", or you have no hesitation to lie yourself.
If it's in testing phase, it could well take the occasional payment, but they haven't announced it yet, so that people don't expect it will work. I doubt that minimum-wage clerks at Metrolinx's vendor have been briefed on the day-to-day location of where they are testing units.
No, there is a third option. The third option is that you don't understand the meaning of the word "lie". If plans change during testing, that isn't a "lie". A lie is an intentionally false statement. An unintentionally false statement, may well be false, but it isn't a lie.Whoever is in charge of the Presto activation date, *that* person is a liar, or is incompetent to not understand the requisite technical requirements, if that is the case. There are only those two options.
It's entirely possible that to test them in the wild, they need to see will actually happen. As they've not announced this capability, no one would be expecting it to work - other than those who are entirely unreasonable.If it's in testing phase the reader should be covered up and the debit/credit option should be crossed out on the screen, like it is on every machine that doesn't have the reader. Or when tapped it should say "this function is in testing, and will be enabled in the coming days". It should not be tappable, then offer selection of fares, state a total, request payment, and give instructions for payment, read your credit/debit card, and then of all things say "transaction failed" and print out a receipt saying "not approved".
So they won't be expecting it to work, they'll see the symbol, try it, and it won't work ... but because no one is expecting it to work yet, they'll simply use whatever payment method they'd already been planning to use.As it is now people will expect it to work--the average rider, and especially visitors, do not check twitter or press release sections of website to check for an announcement that the machine takes cards, they look at it, see the option to pay with a card, and see that it appears to accept it then fails to work.
It's entirely possible that to test them in the wild, they need to see will actually happen. As they've not announced this capability, no one would be expecting it to work - other than those who are entirely unreasonable.
So they won't be expecting it to work, they'll see the symbol, try it, and it won't work ... but because no one is expecting it to work yet, they'll simply use whatever payment method they'd already been planning to use.
What do you expect them to do, do the entire roll-out overnight, with no testing? I saw similar interac debit/credit markings on some readers on Vancouver buses, that I don't think had been activated yet, when I was out there this summer. It never crossed my mind to try and pay with my card, instead of using the tickets I'd already purchased.That's absolutely absurd. If an infrequent transit user decides to take transit and sees that symbol, they won't think "oh, I haven't heard a Metrolinx press release where they unveiled this technology, so I shouldn't count on it" they'll think "oh good, you can pay with a credit/debit card now".
NFITZ, you are really good at defending and rationalizing whatever disasters TTC achieves, since every delay or failure seems justified to you in one way or another. This is why the TTC still seems acceptable to Toronto riders. TTC should hire you as their PR person, no kidding.
What disaster? They've been touting Presto implementation on all streetcars by end of December for months.NFITZ, you are really good at defending and rationalizing whatever disasters TTC achieves, since every delay or failure seems justified to you in one way or another. This is why the TTC still seems acceptable to Toronto riders. TTC should hire you as their PR person, no kidding.
What do you expect them to do, do the entire roll-out overnight, with no testing?