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Metrolinx: Finch West LRT

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That is a major problem. The province would also need to achieve goals to keep themselves in power. With an independent Toronto (GTA), there would only be one level of government thus combining provincial and municipal elections into one. The Toronto council would be replaced with MPPs. The rest of Ontario can have a proper government the focus on rural and Northern Ontario issues.
Wouldn't Toronto then just be a perpetually minority party?
 

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Wouldn't Toronto then just be a perpetually minority party?
You mean within an independent province of the Greater Golden Horseshoe? Yes, maybe the 905 will vote differently from Parkdale and Leslieville, but at the moment so do the outer 416, so I don't see that as being a contradiction to the goals of succession. Democracy is still democracy.

I think there would be a lot of cooperation going on with big ticket items like transit, as it is in the interests of all municipalities in the region to invest in transit networks elsewhere in the belief that it will be reciprocated in kind. Plus, with control over our own tax revenues, we'd have the capacity to build multiple projects such as both the Relief Line and Yonge North Extension simultaneously.
 

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That is a major problem. The province would also need to achieve goals to keep themselves in power. With an independent Toronto (GTA), there would only be one level of government thus combining provincial and municipal elections into one. The Toronto council would be replaced with MPPs. The rest of Ontario can have a proper government the focus on rural and Northern Ontario issues.

There has been major divides between rural and urban Ontario, such as the sex ed issue. If GTA is separated from the rest of Ontario, they can have separated education curriculum as the "two" provinces can do their own things. Other ministries like health care, energy, MTO (highway design, expansion) and OPP could operate over the two jurisdiction if that benefits both through agreements.

That fact that many well known cities around the world have federal level cities, maybe it's time for a change. Especially after Ford thought he is the Premier of Toronto.
It should only eliminate the regional governments. Municipal governments have their place - for local issues. The current city of Toronto should revert back to former six municipalities. Maybe they can also carve up Mississauga and Brampton.
 

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It should only eliminate the regional governments. Municipal governments have their place - for local issues. The current city of Toronto should revert back to former six municipalities. Maybe they can also carve up Mississauga and Brampton.
I feel that rather than six municipalities, only really Scarborough might be better off on their own for governance reasons, as demonstrated by the subway issue.
 

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You mean within an independent province of the Greater Golden Horseshoe? Yes, maybe the 905 will vote differently from Parkdale and Leslieville, but at the moment so do the outer 416, so I don't see that as being a contradiction to the goals of succession. Democracy is still democracy.
No, I mean if Toronto municipal elections were eliminated and the city voted to send MPPs to QP as I think @Steve X suggested.
 

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It should only eliminate the regional governments. Municipal governments have their place - for local issues. The current city of Toronto should revert back to former six municipalities. Maybe they can also carve up Mississauga and Brampton.
A lot of the stuff that happens in council meetings are BS that doesn't need the attention of the entire city. They discuss items like should the temporary left turn continue at Finch and Elana during the FInch West LRT construction which is totally valid for this thread and absolutely not important to a councillor in Scarborough. With a GTA province, each MPP could adopt its own board (elected or appointed by MPP) to deal with these issues. THese issues can be decentralized while they deal with more important issues.

Right now local issues like could TTC add cameras to streetcars to ticket people would require TO council to debate and request permission, QP to debate and implement a law (hopefully), then Toronto debate, analyse and adopt whatever is allowed by QP. The fines are totally controlled by QP. With an independent Toronto/GTA, they could debate once and pass a law that is appropriate for the situation. It will eliminate the redundancy and bureaucracy in the current system.
 

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Check out Ottawa/Hull, or any US city with a river through it, before you think about putting a “provincial” boundary anywhere in the middle of the GTA. Inevitably, there are different cities on each bank, there is a have and a have-not side of the river, and regional coordination becomes even more difficult..
Giving Toronto Charter or Province status would have the same effect as a pair of riverbanks. The governance has to stay at GTA or higher level to function effectively.

A better solution would be downloading taxation. Ottawa over collects revenue, returning the money to taxpayers not as equalisation but purely as vote buying. Let’s face it, Ottawa’s contribution to GTA transit projects is not being raised by taxing Fredericton or Swift Current. It’s money raised in the GTA,. Federal programs should be restricted to true “universal” programs funded from true “federal” revenue sources, with less money taken from taxpayers at the federal level for “local” disbursement. This puts the burden on the Province to impose further taxation, but it frees the Province from asking anything of Ottawa.

I would argue that in turn, the same thing is true at the Provincial level....Queens Park is not taxing Sudbury or Windsor to pay for GTA infrastructure. So again, lower provincial taxation, download the revenue collection to the GTA and get the Province out of the decisionmaking.

Overall taxation would net out at the same level for the average taxpayer, but it would be transparent and the jurisdiction that spends the money would bethe jurisdiction to raise the money - a much more accountable political system.

In the end, it’s all about raising the money.... fix this, and the rest will follow.

- Paul
 
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Torontonians can't even agree on what should be priority spending. Somehow Scarborough became a priority. Now we expect magically the golden horseshoe will be able to act as it's own province and agree together on items. I'm skeptical that is ever going to happen. And I'm also skeptical that under such a system Toronto would benefit any more than it is now. People in the 905 are not going to agree on tolling any highways.
 

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Drove by today they are starting to put the temporary traffic lights up west of Keele. I think a lot of people don't understand the disaster this will cause when they really start ripping up the road, this widening looks quite a bit more challenging than Hwy 7 West, since finch is a lot more narrow to begin with, they need to take a lot of land to fit everything in, it'll be interesting to see how it all works.
 

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