Mayor John Tory's Toronto

[Northern Light]

The fact countries that permit its use have higher rape stats probably comes down to many other factors.
And pepper spray doesnt just prevent some rapes, it also sometimes will prevent common assaults and murders

You keep making statements for which you have no evidence.

The fact that you 'feel' something is true does not make it so.

Your statements contradict the evidence, will be weighed accordingly.

For the record, I consider your views dangerous and likely to promote violence.

 

[PinkLucy]

I carry a Fox 40 whistle. Works at the touch of a button and easy to position so you don’t have to go digging for it. Very loud and definitely gets attention. It was given to me by a friend who was worried about my long solo jaunts. So far, I have only used it for aggressive Canada Geese.

 

[Fresco]

You keep making statements for which you have no evidence.

The fact that you 'feel' something is true does not make it so.

Your statements contradict the evidence, will be weighed accordingly.

For the record, I consider your views dangerous and likely to promote violence

I consider ligthing women on fire on the TTC subway much more dangerous

 

[GenerationW]

The fact countries that permit its use have higher rape stats probably comes down to many other factors.
And pepper spray doesnt just prevent some rapes, it also sometimes will prevent common assaults and murders

You can always move. Very unlikely our laws will change to your liking.

 

[Northern Light]

I consider ligthing women on fire on the TTC subway much more dangerous

Your continued misrepresentation of the facts and needless inflammatory posts leave me no choice but to place you on ignore; additionally, however, if I become aware of any further posts of this type I will adopt a zero tolerance take to report them and to seek your removal from Urban Toronto.

 

[picard102]

I consider ligthing women on fire on the TTC subway much more dangerous

Then don't do that.

 

[Fresco]

Your continued misrepresentation of the facts and needless inflammatory posts leave me no choice but to place you on ignore; additionally, however, if I become aware of any further posts of this type I will adopt a zero tolerance take to report them and to seek your removal from Urban Toronto

Are you for real??!! I was just having a debate
I cant help it if you are so weak-skinned that you cant handle differing opinions.

I have carefully laid out my argument for legalizing pepper spray.
All you have done is call me a troll.

If only 2 or 3 lives are saved every year then legalizing is worth it.
Your stance so far has been no its not worth saving a few lives, and pepper spray promotes violence.
No, its prevents violence you genius. Thats why the product was invented in the first place.

Have nice day

 

[picard102]

Are you for real??!! I was just having a debate

I mean, you're really not.
You've been provided evidence to the contrary to all the claims you've made, and responded with more imagined realities.
That's not a debate. The argument "it might save one life" is emotional nonsense. Plenty of things are illegal and legal that could save or end someone's life.
Saving a life isn't the bar for a rational policy. Especially when it's doubtful based on the evidence presented.

 

[Fresco]

I mean, you're really not.
You've been provided evidence to the contrary to all the claims you've made, and responded with more imagined realities.
That's not a debate. The argument "it might save one life" is emotional nonsense. Plenty of things are illegal and legal that could save or end someone's life.
Saving a life isn't the bar for a rational policy. Especially when it's doubtful based on the evidence presented.

He has posted what he thinks is evidence.
Just because some countries with legal pepper spray have higher rape rates than Canada means nothing.
The only way you can measure it is if you legalize pepper spray in Canada and then see if murder, assault and rapes go down.
Comparing Canada to other countries is the absolute dumbest argument you can bring to the table.

Here's some more examples where pepper spray has saved lives:

A Personal Appeal to Women: Don't Be a Statistic

Please do yourself a favor and arm yourself with something to keep you safe, like pepper spray. It just may save your life. It did mine.

www.huffpost.com

Ralphs Employee Pepper Sprays Man Who Allegedly Assaulted Woman After Being Asked To Wear Face Covering

Cell phone video taken moments after the incident unfolded at the Ralphs in the 200 block of South La Brea Avenue shows the man sitting on the ground, surrounded by milk.

www.cbsnews.com

https://www.sabrered.com/blog/pepper-spray-saves-milwaukee-woman-life-or-death-encounter

‘My Girlfriend Is a Hero!' Man Stabbed in NYC Subway Attack Says Partner Saved His Life

A subway rider is hailing is girlfriend as a hero who saved his life after he was stabbed by a man armed with a kitchen knife in midtown Manhattan.

www.nbcnewyork.com

 

[evandyk]

If saving every possible life was the ultimate policy goal, we’d have no cars, which would be good!

 

[evandyk]

I would probably support allowing everybody to carry pepper spray if we banned cars.

We might prevent a small handful of crimes every year, but we would definitely save thousands of deaths and major injuries.

 

[picard102]

He has posted what he thinks is evidence.

It is. Unless you have something to the contrary other than a handful of news reports, or data that suggests otherwise.
But you have nothing so your argument is entirely "what if", which isn't even an argument to bring to the table, let alone the dumbest.
And the "if" doesn't justify or make a compelling case to legalize a weapon.

 

[Fresco]

It is. Unless you have something to the contrary other than a handful of news reports, or data that suggests otherwise

As I told you before, saving even one life would be worth legalizing pepper spray.
And clearly in the links I posted lives were saved.
Not sure why you're having problems understanding this. Then again, maybe I shouldnt be surprised.

Even Alberta's justice minister wants to see it legalized: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/alberta-ottawa-kaycee-madu-lisa-silver-jason-kenney-1.6111830

 

[PinkLucy]

Let’s get back to discussing the waning days of John Tory’s Toronto, shall we?

 

[adma]

Yeah, this thread's getting to be like one big Daniel Penny/Jordan Neely debate...