jje1000
Senior Member
Personally I find it greatly amusing that Cormier has predicted that Parks Department's ugly bins will inevitably show up, and proposed a decoration scheme for them on page 67.
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Personally I find it greatly amusing that Cormier has predicted that Parks Department's ugly bins will inevitably show up, and proposed a decoration scheme for them on page 67.
AlvinofDiaspar
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jje1000
Senior Member
Of course, but the thought's still there.
condovo
Senior Member
Northern Light, you're the expert. Can this really be built for $10 million?
AlvinofDiaspar
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I'd think he would have thought about it after having had so many commissions here.
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smably
Senior Member
So is the budget $7 million, $10 million, or $12 million?
Northern Light
Superstar
Ty for the compliment, but this exact type of work is a bit outside my area of expertise. (large-scale soil remediation in particular).
FWIW, based on my experience, and what I've seen of costs for other projects; the vast majority of the base elements, subject to how much is being spent on planning/presentations etc. is within the do-able range, albeit without that much wiggle room.
Remediation costs have come down a lot in recent years, but that's still a very large volume of soil to be removed and I'm somewhat skeptical as to fully covering that cost inside the allotted budget.
My gut instinct is 12M and don't make any mistakes or exceed moderate contingencies and your fine.
Anything less requires some very good material sourcing and very tight labour management.
But that's very much guestimating on my part, since I haven't seen the line-item estimates here.
Let me offer this comparison.
Cormier-Designed Berczy Park ran just over 7M on 0.8 acres.
This site is 2.0 acres.
Assuming you simply scaled to size, you'd be at 17.5M
Clearly this design will not have some of the costs associated w/the ceramic dogs, and the water feature, while larger is somewhat simpler to execute.
However, designing it to hold ice all winter, and have heated steps, amongst other features also add some costs back.
You do have some fixed cost irrespective of size as well, so scaling is an oversimplification.
In then end, 12M would be do-able to me, but challenging and the open question on remediation costs.
I'd really struggle to see it come in much cheaper.
isaidso
Senior Member
2 years for construction to start? I know government (arms length organizations) work at a snail's pace but I'm constantly astonished at how long it takes to get things done. This is a tiny little park. Some people have lawns bigger than this.
Transportfan
Senior Member
You mean they're not staying as art installations? Why are they still there?
Tuscani01
Senior Member
To create some interest in the current park - since the new one is years away.
sikandar
Active Member
I can't believe I'm asking this, but what will be completed first, this or The Hub?
AlvinofDiaspar
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Also they left it to the designers to determine whether to keep or get rid of the bents - just so happens that the CCA proposal chose the latter.
As to waiting - I'd rather this done right (Berczy) than done fast and sloppily.
AoD
As to waiting - I'd rather this done right (Berczy) than done fast and sloppily.
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Southcore
Active Member
Can we just have Cormier redesign every green space in the city? Stoked for this one!
.dwg
Active Member
Well for one, it's probably not even designed yet so how could construction possibly begin? The competition was for a concept design - now the real work has to happen to bring a full, detailed design together. That includes coordination with various city services/departments which of course is bureaucratic and time consuming. And then tendering/bidding process before any sort of construction can begin.
Adjei
Senior Member
I wish he had designed City Hall instead of the garbage we got.