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SD2
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-Toronto has lost 100,000 jobs. We are seeing the classic problem that American cities have where the central city employment is being eroaded while suburbs boom.
Haven't you noticed the office boom (or at least a mini-office boom) occuring?
-Toronto use to pride itself on mixed incomes living together, etc. However we are now more segregated then ever before. The 905 has almost no mixed housing, and this is causing a central city full of poor people with suburbs full of rich people. A classic city suburb split that Toronto never saw before.
Central city full of poor people?! Where do you come up with this stuff?
Mike, I think everyone agrees we need to improve transit, attract more business, etc....but these are things pretty much every large city on the planet needs to continually improve. Just because things could be better doesn't mean we're the next Detroit.
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MrOttawa
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I wish the Toronto Forumers could see your city through mine eyes:
- Vibrant, exciting, groovy!
- Something new around each corner. That is what keeps people from the world comming to this burg. Also, they are not afraid of turning that corner.
- A great place to make coin. Opportunities for the youth of Canada and the world to come and make their livings, find a wife and make a home for the family.
- Asthetically pleasing environment. From the old stoners and brick houses to the scrapers shimmering in the distance Toronto captures the imaginations of Euros, Asians; but not Canadians. Let us not forge the parks, valleys and girls wearing revealing clothes. The Princess Gates to the street cars bring delight to visitors and residents.
- The Arts and Letters of Toronto are feeding the world. People are now seeing this city as a place to create.
- A mythology is developing about Toronto by non-residents about its prowess.
- The nicest booze store on the planet.
Problems, yes. Opportunties for greatness, limitless.
Mike, thanks for the opportunity to express myself.
- Vibrant, exciting, groovy!
- Something new around each corner. That is what keeps people from the world comming to this burg. Also, they are not afraid of turning that corner.
- A great place to make coin. Opportunities for the youth of Canada and the world to come and make their livings, find a wife and make a home for the family.
- Asthetically pleasing environment. From the old stoners and brick houses to the scrapers shimmering in the distance Toronto captures the imaginations of Euros, Asians; but not Canadians. Let us not forge the parks, valleys and girls wearing revealing clothes. The Princess Gates to the street cars bring delight to visitors and residents.
- The Arts and Letters of Toronto are feeding the world. People are now seeing this city as a place to create.
- A mythology is developing about Toronto by non-residents about its prowess.
- The nicest booze store on the planet.
Problems, yes. Opportunties for greatness, limitless.
Mike, thanks for the opportunity to express myself.
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nstuch
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MrOttawa, whatever it is you're smoking, i want some!
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kpad
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MrOttawa, I applaud you, sir!
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Oliver Tweed
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Wow. So very much is wrong with that first post.
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fiendishlibrarian
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www.toronto.ca/legdocs/2006/agendas/committees/plt/plt060501/it004.pdf
Highlights:
- Toronto’s total employment in 2005 was 1,262,700 up 0.9% since 2003.
- In 2005, the total number of business establishments was 71,500
- Part-time employment grew by 6,300 jobs between 2004 and 2005.
- 39% of all businesses in the City have been operating at their present location for five years or less.
- The average longevity of establishments is rising, now at 12.8 years.
- The largest share of jobs is found in the Office sector (45%), followed by the Institutional (16%), Manufacturing (13%), Retail (12%), Service (11%) and Other (3%) sectors, reflecting the remarkable diversity of the Toronto economy.
- Toronto’s Downtown and the Centres make up 37% of all jobs in the City. The Official Plan Employment Districts make up 30% of the City’s employment.
- The Employment Districts are highly attractive locations for new establishments (1,245 business establishments located in these Districts for the first time in 2005).
- The Downtown and Centres have maintained their share of citywide employment over the past 5 years, so as the City grows, it’s main employment concentrations are keeping pace. The long-run stability of these shares demonstrates the strength and resilience of the City’s urban structure
during a period of regional suburban expansion.
- While total employment has risen by 9.4% since 1996, the number of establishments continues to decline, thus the average size of firms continues to rise.
Highlights:
- Toronto’s total employment in 2005 was 1,262,700 up 0.9% since 2003.
- In 2005, the total number of business establishments was 71,500
- Part-time employment grew by 6,300 jobs between 2004 and 2005.
- 39% of all businesses in the City have been operating at their present location for five years or less.
- The average longevity of establishments is rising, now at 12.8 years.
- The largest share of jobs is found in the Office sector (45%), followed by the Institutional (16%), Manufacturing (13%), Retail (12%), Service (11%) and Other (3%) sectors, reflecting the remarkable diversity of the Toronto economy.
- Toronto’s Downtown and the Centres make up 37% of all jobs in the City. The Official Plan Employment Districts make up 30% of the City’s employment.
- The Employment Districts are highly attractive locations for new establishments (1,245 business establishments located in these Districts for the first time in 2005).
- The Downtown and Centres have maintained their share of citywide employment over the past 5 years, so as the City grows, it’s main employment concentrations are keeping pace. The long-run stability of these shares demonstrates the strength and resilience of the City’s urban structure
during a period of regional suburban expansion.
- While total employment has risen by 9.4% since 1996, the number of establishments continues to decline, thus the average size of firms continues to rise.
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nassauone
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I think what he is saying there MikeToronto is the proof is in the pudding.
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bizorky
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I find the problem to be one in which there are too many doom and gloom visions of Toronto. The city has immense potential and incredibly good bones. I, as with many of you, have grown tired of the constant negativity and the litany of bad news stories. I lived in Montreal many years ago when things were far worse than things were, or are, in Toronto. I see Toronto as quite vibrant, interesting, contradictory and evolving. I certainly don't see the city as being on life support or at death's door.
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Antiloop33rpm
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I think part of the problem comes with comparing Toronto (or any Canadian city) to our American counterparts. While there are some similarities, there are enough differences to make comparing the two rather irrelevant.
Canadian cities (particularily larger ones) tend to be a bit more diverse in their nature. Cities like Cleveland, Detroit, Buffalo, places that grew out of the industrial and manufacturing age, often failed to see the light and move on. They were one trick ponies of sorts where when the economy changed, they were left behind. While Canada does have cities where the economy is based largely around one industry sector (Im thinking Sault Ste Marie and mining, some of Quebecs cities based around mining and forestry, Fort McMurray and oil, etc) they rarely grow beyond a size of 100,000 or so. The cities that continued to grow are the classic examples of Montreal and Toronto where industry evolved.
Montreal is a good example. It suffered greatly through the 80's and portion of the 90's. But, it is slowly rebounding and once again, Montreal is rebuilding itself and its industries and businesses, in part because it is an eclectic city that is not likely to disappear anytime soon.
Toronto is not dead. Toronto will not die. I see things being quite the opposite actually. I think Toronto is gaining a bit more mommentum each year and I can see the city really growing in a positive direction over the next few decades.
Canadian cities (particularily larger ones) tend to be a bit more diverse in their nature. Cities like Cleveland, Detroit, Buffalo, places that grew out of the industrial and manufacturing age, often failed to see the light and move on. They were one trick ponies of sorts where when the economy changed, they were left behind. While Canada does have cities where the economy is based largely around one industry sector (Im thinking Sault Ste Marie and mining, some of Quebecs cities based around mining and forestry, Fort McMurray and oil, etc) they rarely grow beyond a size of 100,000 or so. The cities that continued to grow are the classic examples of Montreal and Toronto where industry evolved.
Montreal is a good example. It suffered greatly through the 80's and portion of the 90's. But, it is slowly rebounding and once again, Montreal is rebuilding itself and its industries and businesses, in part because it is an eclectic city that is not likely to disappear anytime soon.
Toronto is not dead. Toronto will not die. I see things being quite the opposite actually. I think Toronto is gaining a bit more mommentum each year and I can see the city really growing in a positive direction over the next few decades.
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MrOttawa
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These words I speak come easily, without my typical enhancements through substances.
Maybe some people here need to see TO from the "eyes of a stranger". Bring in a friend/relative and excort them through the city. Their eyes will be as wide as saucers.
Maybe some people here need to see TO from the "eyes of a stranger". Bring in a friend/relative and excort them through the city. Their eyes will be as wide as saucers.
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tudararms
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American cities are rebounding too. There, as in Canada, boomers and empty nesters are fleeing their large suburban 'mcmansions' in droves and heading back downtown to live and play. This is one of the major demographic phenomena driving the condo boom in the city. In other words, Mike may not be too far off the beam here in that the building boom in T.O. is largely a condo boom, the bottom of which will likely drop out in ten to fifteen years as the boomers pass through the population. At the same time the cultural boom is largely being funded through government funding rather than private enterprise, and Lord of the Rings notwithstanding, one cannot deny the moribund state of commercial theatre in this city. Finally, we haven't seen an office building boom in decades and though a mini boom is constantly being heralded this doesn't seem likely, even despite a couple of promising projects that have been announced. I think Mike's proposition is a little over the top but I do think it is true that we have to look a little deeper when we talk about the future of the city.
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bizorky
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Maybe some people here need to see TO from the "eyes of a stranger". Bring in a friend/relative and excort them through the city. Their eyes will be as wide as saucers.
I agree! I dragged two friends from the Maritimes who had never been to Toronto except for train changes at Union Station. Before that, they were intimidated by the idea of "the big city." After three days of staying up way to late in the effort of trying to see and do things around Toronto, their big regret was that real estate was so expensive.
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unimaginative2
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Good points, antiloop, though there is no mining in the Soo.
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Antiloop33rpm
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though there is no mining in the Soo.
Your right. Sudbury, the giant nickel, smelting. Thats what I was thinking.
Another difference that just came to mind is how much of the overall population some cities represent. Canada has roughly 33 million, of which, 5 - 6 million live in the GTA (depending on what you define as the area). That still works out too about 16 - 19 percent of the countries population in a single metropolitan. Montreal and environs at about 3.5 million represent close to 11 percent of the population in a single CMA.
In the United States, take the example of the New York Metropolitan Area. Its population is roughly 22 million people. However as a percentage of the overal population of almost 300,000,000 it works out to around 7.5 percent.
Just some food for thought.